pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16

pbs Digest, Vol 80, Issue 16
Paul Licht (Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:51:07 PDT)

For those of you in the SF Bay Area that haven't yet seen a Brunsvigia
josephine in bloom, that a very large one is fully open in the Botanical
Garden now. These bulbs are larger than footballs. These plants are the
source of seedlings we offer. Rather than offsets, they appear to split
in half.
Paul

Paul Licht, Director
Univ. California Botanical Garden
200 Centennial Drive
Berkeley, CA 94720
(510)-643-8999
http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/

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Today's Topics:

1. A new bulbous forum (Tomas Sandberg)
2. Current Blooms (jmsjon664@aol.com)
3. Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom (Ken)
4. Current Blooms (Ina)
5. Re: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom (Susan B)
6. Re: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis (Christiaan van Schalkwyk)
7. Re: Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom (Jim McKenney)
8. Re: Current Blooms (J.E. Shields)
9. Cyclamen Was: Current Blooms (J.E. Shields)
10. Re: Lycoris/ Topic of the week (roy land)
11. Re: Lycoris in bloom (Kelly Irvin)
12. Re: Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis (hheaven77@aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:55 +0200
From: Tomas Sandberg <to.sa@comhem.se>
Subject: [pbs] A new bulbous forum
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Hi,

Today I have change a lot at my forum, now the forum has several
different rooms and the name of the forum is http://www.bulbousspecies.eu/
this url will hopefully work within a few days but the old url http://www.amstaffdogs.eu/
works fine.

Best
Tomas Sandberg

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:41:46 -0400
From: jmsjon664@aol.com
Subject: [pbs] Current Blooms
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Colchicum autumnale is coming on strongly, both a white form and deep
pink 'Nancy Lindsey'. This species multiplies well and is relatively
tidy in flower and leaf.
Nerine filifolia is having a good year; also in bloom is the Archibald
offering of N. bowdenii, from 3000m in Lesotho, blooming a month ahead
of any others, as described. It took 7 years from sowing to flowering.
There are a few furtive blooms of Cyclamen hederifolium poking out of a
very protected spot.
Jim Jones
Lexington, MA

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:00:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken <kjblack@pacbell.net>
Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom
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5th year of bloom for this 15-year old bulb from seed.? It seems fewer florets this year than last.? Also, 2 of its sibling bulbs which bloomed for the first time last year seem to be sitting 2009 out.? We've had a very dry year and I've provided no additional H2O.? A 4th sibling bulb is sending up its first scape this year.? Several other siblings have yet to bloom.
?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amarguy/3917385121/
?
Ken
San Diego, zone 10-11

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:27:46 +1200
From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz>
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There are a few furtive blooms of Cyclamen hederifolium poking out of a
very protected spot.
Jim Jones
Lexington, MA

Are these the in between size Cyclamen? As mine have naturalised and
are one of my great joys over the winter months when they really go to
town flowering and are spreading around the garden. One plant I let
every seedling grow of. Even without the flowers, the leaf patterns
are attractive. Of course the zoning helps.

Ina
Auckland New Zealand

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Susan B <honeybunny442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Ken, that bulb scared me!? How big is it?? Compared to the wall next to it, it looks really large!
Susan

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, Ken <kjblack@pacbell.net> wrote:

From: Ken <kjblack@pacbell.net>
Subject: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:00 PM

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:23:29 +0200
From: "Christiaan van Schalkwyk" <cvschalkwyk@lantic.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties !

There is a complete list of his Oxalis collections available - and I were
fortunate to receive a printed copy of this list from a fellow pbs-er. I
scanned the list and converted it to a Word document (19 pages).
Unfortunately there are many spelling mistakes, and I haven't gotten round
to fix all these, and on the orriginal list those species that either did
not survive ar were destroyed are marked, which I have not yet done on the
Word document. This list, however, is available to those who want it (Please
request it PRIVATELY). (Should I upload it to the wiki?)

I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O.
luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for
them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O
luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and
if you look at his description of MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola.
The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than
O luteola, the flowers are thus carried inside or just above the leaves,
while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended
above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS
alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O
luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are
other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry
that are useful, but these could be quite tricky.

The Oxalis with Michael Vasser Collection numbers offered on the latest BX
were the following:
3. Oxalis MV5567, yellow, dark center
O. luteola. 1.2km up road to Paleisheuwel, 60km south of Clanwilliam, in
coarse red sand. 1 1/4 inch light yellow flowers with a more golden yellow
center; borne on 2 inch peduncles. Linear alternate bracts 1/2 inch up from
base. 1 1/4 inch dark green leaves with red hairs at edges, red underside,
stems green, center lobe largest, on 2 inch stems. Bracts alternate, linear,
? halfway down stems.. Compact plants, Bulbs dark brown, 1 1/4 inch tall by
3/4 inch wide, tapered at top and bottom; sand sticking to bulbs. + +

4. Oxalis MV6341
O. obtusa. Niuwoudtville area, Bulbs were among bulbs of Lachenalia elegans
var. suoveolens. 1 1/2 inch bright yellow flowers two inches above the
leaves. Bracts one inch below the flowers, No scent. 3/4 inch leaves in
tight, compact rosettes. + +

5. Oxalis MV5630A
O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in a
dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light
lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants.
Plant early.

6. Oxalis MV5532, white/yellow
O. ambigua. 123.6km south towards Loeriesfontein below the turnoff from
Pofadder on a west facing rock and light brown-red sand, Small plants, forms
many bulblets at top of stems, 1 1/2 inch ivory flowers with light yellow
centers and a light yellow reverse. Bracts 1/2 inch up from stem base. No
scent. 1 inch leaves. +

7. Oxalis MV 4960B
O. luteola? 20km southeast of Sutherland, on north facing gravel hill. Bulbs
not winged, longer and narrower than 4960. 1 1/2 inch yellow flowers.
Central leaf lobe is larger, green underside to leaf. Many tiny bulbs form
near and above old bulbs. Bulbs 1 1/8 inch tall by 1/2 inch wide; dark
reddish-brown, stiff thin tunics; pointed tip and bottom, bottom not as
sharp.

8. Oxalis MV5667
O. luteola, 13,4km south of Nieuwoudtville, full sun, light brown soil. 1
1/2 inch bright yellow flowers. 1 inch diameter leaves, very hairy on
surface, green underside, Bracts on flower stems. + +

9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow
O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden
yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green
hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark
glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red
3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 inch, red underside. Leaf
rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + +
NOTE: this is probably not O luteola!

10. Oxalis MV5117
O. commutata? Vanrhynshoek, half way up canyon, south slope. Very small
rosettes and leaves, compact and dense. 1/2 inch lavender flowers well above
the leaves. Petal reverse is half yellow, 1/2-3/4 inch leaves, Must have
full sun, Flowers fragrant. +

Enjoy
Christiaan

----- Original Message -----

Hello Everyone,

The new PBS BX has quite a few of the late Michael Vassar's oxalis. I
found descriptions of some on the WIKI but would be interested in knowing
if Michael had passed on notes on his collection and if so, where could I
find them? >

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:26:59 -0400
From: "Jim McKenney" <jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Brunsvigia josephinae in bloom
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Ken, that's amazing! What are the dimensions of these? In the photos they
look huge.

Jim McKenney

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:15:47 -0400
From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Current Blooms
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I just noticed late yesterday that three pots of Nerine bowdenii are
sending up a scape: Two separate accessions of N. bowdenii wellsii and one
of N. bowdenii "Koen's Hardy." My bowdenii seem to bloom anytime from
September to December.

A pot of N. filifolia is just about to open flowers, and a pot of N.
filamentosa is in bloom. These seem to be a little later than usual, but I
have not been keeping careful records.

Jim Shields
in cool (50?F/10?C) Westfield, Indiana
USA

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:20:07 -0400
From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net>
Subject: [pbs] Cyclamen Was: Current Blooms
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I've gradually lost all my C. coum and C. hederifolium; in fact, I lost all
but C. graecum. Only C. graecum survives the summer in the greenhouse,
bone dry under a bench. The greenhouse is very hot in summer! All the
others died in summer if left in the greenhouse or in winter if planted
outdoors.

C. graecum is starting to bloom in my greenhouse now.

Jim Shields
in Westfield, Indiana
USA

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:24:41 -0500
From: roy land <lspookrgl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week
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greetings

lycoris radiata is just sending up buds in my area, immediately south of dallas texas. we are indeed lucky to live in an area where they not only grow, but thrive on neglect.
glen
dallas texas soggy zone 8a

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
From: msittner@mcn.org
Subject: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week

Hi,

Some of you who are new to our list will not be familiar with the Topic of
the Week. For a time in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004 I organized a topic of
the week and found someone to introduce it and then invited people on this
list to discuss the topic in response to the introduction and everyone's
posts. There was a wealth of information generated which I later linked to
the wiki:
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

This summer there has been a fair amount of discussion about Lycoris and
Jim Waddick has after the fact written a very complete introduction to this
genus. He has also sent me additional photos. I have added both to the
wiki. One of the things I found very interesting as we were working on this
is that he believes many of the "species" are really natural hybrids. So
for all of you out there who are fortunate to live in an area when you can
easily grow this genus (and to the world who will find this information
through the pbs wiki and a Google search) here is the link:
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new
window. But you can also access it directly here:
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/…

Thanks Jim for providing this and everyone feel free to comment just as if
this was a topic of the week. And if anyone else has something they would
like to introduce as a topic of the week spontaneously without an organized
program to do this, this could be a model of a way to do it.

Mary Sue

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:18:28 -0500
From: Kelly Irvin <kellso@irvincentral.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Lycoris in bloom
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Here, too, Glen. The very first Lycoris radiata var. radiata flower
stalks started emerging August 31st with first bloom beginning last
week. Lycoris 'Blushing Lady' came up about a week before that. That
particular variety did not do so well this year, but it needs a little
protection from the winter cold here in zone 6, and I had problems in
that arena this past winter. L. rad-rad is one of the easiest to grow in
addition to being so beautiful in bloom.

Mr. Kelly M. Irvin
10850 Hodge Ln
Gravette, AR 72736
USA
479-787-9958
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b

http://www.irvincentral.com/

roy land wrote:

greetings

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:18:37 -0700
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
From: msittner@mcn.org
Subject: [pbs] Lycoris/ Topic of the week

Hi,

Clicking on Garden Lycoris and More will open what Jim has written in a new
window. But you can also access it directly here:
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/…

Mary Sue

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:39:00 -0400
From: hheaven77@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis
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Thanks for your reply Christiaan. ?The information you pass along will be helpful to many!
Celeste Gornick

Phoenix, AZ

7:37 a.m. and 83.4 F ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Christiaan van Schalkwyk <cvschalkwyk@lantic.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 3:23 am
Subject: Re: [pbs] Interest in Michael Vassar Oxalis

Hi Celeste - and other interrested parties !

I see that quite a few of those offered on the BX are labelled as O.
luteola. Although I do not have any of those offered, so I cannot speak for
them from observation, I do grow some other MV plants that he labelled as O
luteola, which are actually O. purpurea. This could be true of MV4960B, and
if you look at his description of MV5752, it is definitely not O. luteola.
The difference are as follows: O. purpurea OFTEN has shorter peduncles than
O luteola, the flowers a
re thus carried inside or just above the leaves,
while O luteola has much longer peduncles, thus the flowers are extended
above the leaves. BUT O. purpurea's bracts on the peduncle are ALWAYS
alternate, and at or below the middle of the peduncle, while that of O
luteola are at a articulation above the middle of the peduncle. There are
other differences, like the shape of the buds and the way the leaves dry
that are useful, but these could be quite tricky.

5. Oxalis MV5630A
O. sp. Vanrhynshoek, top of mountain in a level area among big rocks in=2
0a
dark red, heavy soil. Small, non-winged, light brown bulbs, 3/4 inch light
lavender-pink flowers, No bracts. Light sweet scent. Tiny, tufted plants.
Plant early.

9. Oxalis MV 5752, yellow
O. luteola. 20km into the Pakhuis Pass, 3/4-1 inch medium light golden
yellow flowers with a wide shallow tube; 3/4 inch peduncle, Light green
hairy sepals, Alternate linear bracts near base of petiole, Leaves dark
glaucous, 3/4 inch diameter, red underside, red hairs at edges; light red
3/4 inch stems. Dense, dark leaves, to 3/4 in
ch, red underside. Leaf
rosettes 3 inches in diameter, 1 1/2 inches tall, very compact. + +
NOTE: this is probably not O luteola!

Enjoy
Christiaan

----- Original Message -----

Hello Everyone,

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