Dear Mary Sue, You know I appreciate all your frank and honest comments to me off-list posting. I wish I could share with the group the insights you have given me about people, plants and topics related to bulbs. You always take the time to add some crucial detail to make sense to something that strikes me as odd. I appreciate this a LOT. and of course all the 'usual' stuff - " The LIST" " The WIKI" " The SeedEx Donations" " The hours of computer time" " the stamina to keep things together" "The tolerance of putting up with peculiarities of all sorts" and not getting a swelled head - keep it real, girl! To all - I doubt most members of this free email list realize that it would be near collapse without some pinching , prodding and organizing that Mary Sue does with amazing frequency. I think she is far more dedicated than any of us can imagine and she does it with calm and equity to all. I sure could not do this. Three cheers and a stiff drink Best wishes. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +