Dear Crinumistas... I am sort of shocked you'd even suggest ID-ing a Crinum by if it spits or not when so much depends on age and cultivation. I admit these tropical 'look alikes' are a taxonomic mess, but even me a Crinum wannabe-ista, knows to look for physical characteristics such as the European Garden Flora: Scape to 70 cm, flower stalks very short; style as long as the filament - C asiaticum Scape more than 70 cm. flower stalks 2.5 to 4 cm, style as long as the filament - C. pedunculatum And Hannibal separates C. asiaticum from procerum by various characteristics, the most notable is the scape dimensions: 30-60 inches in Asiaticum, 4-6 feet in procerum. Scape on 30 inches in pedunculatum and C. japonmicum is also in this mess with a scape of 12-15 in in length. And I bet there's some even better factual info out there. Just my 2 cents. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +