David, You are so nice to follow up on my question. I do believe that snowdrops may very well not be thermogenic even though conventional wisdom says they are. However, I think you would need to test the buds as they come through the snow or are just opening. In thermogenic plants, if the open flower has been pollinated, it turns off its heat. It also turns off its heat when it judges that the ambient temperature is high enough for its purposes. It would have to be pretty cold outside to insure that the heat was on. Thermogenic flowers have developed some very tricky evolutionary tactics. I wrote a short article on this, noting that I had posed the question to this forum: http://carolynsshadegardens.com/. I very much appreciate everyone's help. Carolyn Carolyn Walker Carolyn's Shade Gardens http://www.carolynsshadegardens.com/ carolynsshadegardens@verizon.net 325 S Roberts Rd Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:38 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 97, Issue 9 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Allium - UPDATE (santoury@aol.com) 2. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum) 3. Re: Unknown Allium (Roy Herold) 4. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum) 5. Unknown Allium (Mark McDonough) 6. Re: Zephyranthes Sources (Alberto Castillo) 7. Thermogenesis in Amorphophallus (Mary Sue Ittner) 8. Re: Are Snowdrops Thermogenic? (David Pilling) 9. Re: Unknown Allium (J. Agoston) 10. Re: Allium - UPDATE (santoury@aol.com) 11. Re: Allium - UPDATE (bulborum botanicum) 12. Please help with Hippeastrum ID (Pham Minh Phuong) 13. Re: Please help with Hippeastrum ID (Del Allegood) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:49:46 -0500 From: santoury@aol.com To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE Message-ID: <8CD95F13C4CDF36-165C-EEC0@webmail-stg-m04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey buddy That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for me. Best, Jude -----Original Message----- From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE If there is somebody who knows the answer it must be the onion man If you are member from the SRGS ask him otherwise I will ask it for you http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5766.0 Roland 2011/2/8 <santoury@aol.com>: > PS - I forgot to mention, I can no longer find that single reference, which is why I'm on here asking! > Jude > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:03:57 +0100 From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE Message-ID: <AANLkTikvDHea9A0ij2wmpwdjjRrFqEnUHV9hhEZKM54T@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I asked it for you I let you know if Mark answers Roland 2011/2/8 <santoury@aol.com>: > Hey buddy > That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for me. > Best, Jude -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:10:20 -0500 From: Roy Herold <rherold@yahoo.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Unknown Allium Message-ID: <4D51BF4C.7050206@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Probably Allium togasii. I grow it--very hardy, seeds around, not terribly distinguished. Mine originally came from the the Onion Man's G.A.R.L.I.C (Growing Allium and Related Liliaciae In Cultivation??) society seed exchange, many years ago. See <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…> for more information. I see that Onion Man Mark calls it 'one of the best little onions'. Mine probably needs more sun. --Roy santoury@aol.com wrote: > Hey guys > A buddy of mine shared some Allium seeds with me, and we found it on the internet, showing one single reference, and my seeds came from that single plant we found. The label is Allium toojayashii. > I'd love more information about this species, and if I have it spelled wrong, correct me please. > Best, Jude > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:34:24 +0100 From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE Message-ID: <AANLkTi==+A13etNsBR306moK1QwM8txE_dvow-VdPH9H@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Jude Mark says the same as Roy reaction Mark: This is probably a name scramble of Allium togashii (published in Flora of Japan as A. togasii). Then it would remain to be seen whether the plant is true to name. Roland 2011/2/8 bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>: > I asked it for you > I let you know if Mark answers > > Roland -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:32:43 -0500 (EST) From: Mark McDonough <antennaria@charter.net> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Unknown Allium Message-ID: <559624680.284779.1297204363254.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no santoury@aol.com wrote: > =============== > Hey guys, A buddy of mine shared some Allium seeds with me, and we > found it on the internet, showing one single >reference, and my seeds > came from that single plant we found. The label is Allium toojayashii. > I'd love more information about this species, and if I have it spelled > wrong, correct me please. > Best, Jude Hello Jude, a friend of yours (Roland de Boer) just posted your exact same question on your behalf on the Scottish Rock Garden Club (SRGC) Forum, which I answered. The link is below: http://srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php/… Mark McDonough antennaria@charter.net Massachusetts, USA USDA Zone 5 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 23:55:11 +0000 From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes Sources Message-ID: <bay156-w224ED2374582A339782B55AEEA0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, one thing is a collection of species. A collection of hybrids is by now likely to be seriously virused. A very few of them are apomictic and can be propagated true from seed. Regards > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:30:26 -0600 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: jwaddick@kc.rr.com > Subject: [pbs] Zephyranthes Sources > > Dear Friends, > A friend in Shanghai would like to start a collection of > Zephyranthes species and cvs. Can anyone suggest a good source that > has a variety of forms.? Of course I'd prefer a source with > reliable names and modest prices. > > I think we may be talking about a couple hundred bulbs total > depending on variety. > > Thanks for your assistance. Best Jim W. > -- > Dr. James W. Waddick > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. > Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 > USA > Ph. 816-746-1949 > Zone 5 Record low -23F > Summer 100F + > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:28:32 -0800 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] Thermogenesis in Amorphophallus Message-ID: <20110209062941.93DBF4C011@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have added a link to the wiki Amorphophallus page of another paper about the thermogenesis of Amorphophallus titanum: A torch in the rain forest: thermogenesis of the Titan arum (Amorphophallus titanum) . http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…. Mary Sue ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:51:31 +0000 From: David Pilling <pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Are Snowdrops Thermogenic? Message-ID: <7P6e6kAD$nUNFw43@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Hi, Took my digital infrared thermometer (a tenner on ebay) out to interrogate the snowdrops. Sad to report the fully opened flowers have the same temperature as the surroundings. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net/ post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:19:06 +0100 From: "J. Agoston" <agoston.janos123@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Unknown Allium Message-ID: <AANLkTik1v5SNE+gPP7y9-L=61-mzdba+Rpa+=J-4JB11@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I feel the urging need to get more info about G.A.R.L.I.C., beeing an Alliophil, it must be a heavenly place. Jan, Hungary ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 08:35:01 -0500 From: santoury@aol.com To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE Message-ID: <8CD96754993A74F-2008-1E00@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks a million! Jude -----Original Message----- From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE I asked it for you I let you know if Mark answers Roland 2011/2/8 <santoury@aol.com>: > Hey buddy > That's a new website for me! I'd appreciate if you could check there for me. > Best, Jude -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:35:49 +0100 From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium - UPDATE Message-ID: <AANLkTimRw+NJ4jrFK_h8iJkFmRO1ehe1PN97ef1WrV2K@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: New: [pbs]Gladiolus atroviolaceus Is there a member who has Gladiolus atroviolaceus bulbs or seeds available best is from Loco Naturalis with collection number from a few different places I am also looking for other EurAsian species for a Gladiolus collection Roland -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:?? bulborum@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:48:15 +0800 From: Pham Minh Phuong <phamminhphuong@gmail.com> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OEvyLCRe0f-EXkWWJ=ofBXGjHHp5VLzf4r2bM@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I am a new Hippeastrum collector. Now, my bulbs are producing flowers but I do not know which species they belong to. Please give a check and help me to clarify. Bulb number 1 http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_1996.jpg http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/P1010658.jpg Bulb number 2 http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_2086.jpg Bulb number 3 http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_2080.jpg http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_2062.jpg I am looking to hear your reply. Thank you so much. Sincerely yours, Pham ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Del Allegood <npublici@yahoo.com> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID Message-ID: <773064.63329.qm@web59709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your blooms appear to be hybrids,possibly seedlings of commercial varieties,to me. Del ________________________________ From: Pham Minh Phuong <phamminhphuong@gmail.com> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 10:48:15 AM Subject: [pbs] Please help with Hippeastrum ID Hi, I am a new Hippeastrum collector. Now, my bulbs are producing flowers but I do not know which species they belong to. Please give a check and help me to clarify. Bulb number 1 http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_1996.jpg http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/P1010658.jpg Bulb number 2 http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_2086.jpg Bulb number 3 http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_2080.jpg http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/… n/IMG_2062.jpg I am looking to hear your reply. Thank you so much. Sincerely yours, Pham ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 97, Issue 9 **********************************