pbs Digest, Vol 170, Issue 22

Looks like Babiana? Leaves ribbed. In right conditions clumps expand rapidly. Has it seeded a distance away or just expanding clumps?
Do you have baboons in the garden (babiana bulbs a favorite food) that spread it about? :))

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1. PBS members (James Waddick)
2. Re: WAS - prohibited plants; NOW Who makes up these lists?
(Erik Van Lennep)
3. Re: WAS - prohibited plants; NOW Who makes up these lists?
(James Frelichowski)
4. Is there a mini blue Watsonia? (David Pilling)
5. Re: Is there a mini blue Watsonia? (John Ralph Carpenter)
6. Re: Is there a mini blue Watsonia? (Fred Biasella)
7. Re: Is there a mini blue Watsonia? (James Waddick)
8. Re: Is there a mini blue Watsonia? (Dennis Kramb)

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:51:13 -0500
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Dear Friends,

The recent posts about prohibited, then fussy plants just points out the vast differences between PBS members and their growing conditions.

While there were many plants listed that I can barely grow or really not at all (Cyclamen, Homeria, etc) there are others that grow in abundance like Anemone blanda now showering me with hundreds of blue mixed seedlings and another lovely patch of ?White Splendor?.

How different our growing conditions, cllimates and gardeneing methods yet we all share te love of gardening with bulbous plants. This list is a place to brag and complain to like minded folks willing to put up with the vagaries of their own location.

Right now the garden is a riot of spring flowers, but we have been about 2 months without a real rain ( a few 100s of an inch). We?ve had record days above 80 F(including on of 87F ! ) and howling spring winds, but the color keeps popping up.

Guess I am glad I can grow ?anything? at some time. Meanwhile still waiting for rain and the iris and peony season to begin in earnest. Enjoy what you have. Jim W.

Dr. James Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd
Kansas City, MO 64152-2711
USA
Phone 816-746-1949

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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:20:34 +0100
From: Erik Van Lennep <erik@tepuidesign.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] WAS - prohibited plants; NOW Who makes up these
lists?
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James, are you in a citrus growing area? If so, they have probably listed
Poncirus as a threat because they would have written a blanket ban for all
members of the Rutacae family due to possibility of introducing virus,
rusts and other diseases.

I didn't realize things were so closely monitored in Texas! I guess you
aren't big enough to write your own rules. If you were Monsanto, Cargill,
Syngenta, or the like you could introduce whatever you like with impunity.
Sad about Poncirus. It has such interesting possibilities for citrus
breeding.

erik

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hopelessness than the restoration of the Earth.?
?BARRY LOPEZ?

On 21 March 2017 at 13:06, James Frelichowski via pbs <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org

wrote:

I had an officer come and take my ponciris trifoliate that I got from ebay
(and I asked seller first if it was ok to receive). But then we have
pythons and now at least one cobra running amuck in Florida.Go figure.
James FrelichowskiCollege Station, TX

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:58 AM, Erik Van Lennep <
erik@tepuidesign.com> wrote:

The official list used for legislation and prohibition in Spain actually
includes some native plants! It looks like the work of a desktop researcher
graduate student who cobbled together a somewhat random list of plants
declared invasive across wildly varying geographies and habitats...probably
those originally published in Spanish, many of which resulted from the
"work" of others cutting and pasting.

Thus native Catalan and Iberian species which were listed as problematic in
Argentina are now forbidden for planting in their own country of origin.

The world is insane.

erik

youth and elders short video <http://vimeo.com/62177578/>

http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep/

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

?I know of no restorative of heart, body, and soul more effective against
hopelessness than the restoration of the Earth.?
?BARRY LOPEZ?

On 20 March 2017 at 23:25, James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote:

Dear Friends
These list are almost always ridiculous becuase they are made up
by elected or volunteer plant lovers who are neither botanists,

ecologists,

taxonomists or any kind of scientist. They wouldn't know a Dandelion

from

an Endive in many cases.

These list come together from rumors and newspapers of fabulous
tales of some rare plant ?taking over? their back yard.

Go to one of the state ?Native Plant Facebook lists? and be
amazed at the utter lack of knoweldge most people have about any plants

and

especially about what is ?native?, ?invasive?, ?endangered? etc.

It is unfortunate when any local or state entity gives these
imaginary lists some official status without any kid of scientiifc or
botanical review. Happens all the time.

The proverbial ?Grain of salt? is needed big time when looking at
these list, but some are hilariously wrong. Just don?t count on
the lists as scientific fact. Jim W.

On Mar 20, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Garak <garak@code-garak.de> wrote:

at least Germany seems not hysterical about forbidden plants - for us

it's

mostly about the classical drugs - only trouble about that: it's actually
quite difficult to get rid of Papaver somniferum in some areas, as many
gardeners allow it for the pretty flowers and rather beautiful seed

heads -

and try to keep that seedmonster under control if both neighbors have it
seeding freely...

there is a EU list of 37 "unwanted" species, plants and animals, which
definitely is not present in the awareness of the public, with the most
known and obvious plant candidates would be once again 2 Heracleums,
Eichornia Crassipes and, surprise, Kudzu. Most interesting for the List
should be Lysichiton americanus. I have no idea if this is enforced in

any

way - I guess the racoons on the animal side of the list would choke to
death from laughing at the idea anyone could get rid of them...

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 02:17:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: James Frelichowski <butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] WAS - prohibited plants; NOW Who makes up these
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Yes, Erik, it was Texas and the USDA people that acted on this.Poncirus is the cold hardy rootstock for many citrus.Seeds are the only option, but better to be safe and sorry, that's what the APHIS folks are paid to do.In the bigger picture it was surprising that so many things get loose in Florida and people have weird pets, etc.
James Frelichowski

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:21 AM, Erik Van Lennep <erik@tepuidesign.com> wrote:

erik

youth and elders short video <http://vimeo.com/62177578/>

http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep/

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

?I know of no restorative of heart, body, and soul more effective against
hopelessness than the restoration of the Earth.?
?BARRY LOPEZ?

On 21 March 2017 at 13:06, James Frelichowski via pbs <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org

wrote:

? ? On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:58 AM, Erik Van Lennep <
erik@tepuidesign.com> wrote:

? The official list used for legislation and prohibition in Spain actually
includes some native plants! It looks like the work of a desktop researcher
graduate student who cobbled together a somewhat random list of plants
declared invasive across wildly varying geographies and habitats...probably
those originally published in Spanish, many of which resulted from the
"work" of others cutting and pasting.

Thus native Catalan and Iberian species which were listed as problematic in
Argentina are now forbidden for planting in their own country of origin.

The world is insane.

erik

youth and elders short video <http://vimeo.com/62177578/>

http://www.linkedin.com/in/erikvanlennep/

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

?I know of no restorative of heart, body, and soul more effective against
hopelessness than the restoration of the Earth.?
?BARRY LOPEZ?

On 20 March 2017 at 23:25, James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> wrote:

Dear Friends
? ? ? ? These list are almost always ridiculous becuase they are made up
by elected or volunteer plant lovers who are neither botanists,

ecologists,

taxonomists or any kind of scientist.? They wouldn't know a Dandelion

from

an Endive in many cases.

? ? ? ? These list come together from rumors and newspapers of fabulous
tales of some rare plant ?taking over? their back yard.

? ? ? ? Go to one of the state ?Native Plant? Facebook lists? and be
amazed at the utter lack of knoweldge most people have about any plants

and

especially about what is ?native?, ?invasive?, ?endangered? etc.

? ? ? ? It is unfortunate when any local or state entity gives these
imaginary lists some official status without any kid of scientiifc or
botanical review. Happens all the time.

? ? ? ? The proverbial ?Grain of salt? is needed big time when looking at
these list, but some are hilariously wrong.? ? ? ? ? Just don?t count on
the lists as scientific fact.? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jim W.

On Mar 20, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Garak <garak@code-garak.de> wrote:

at least Germany seems not hysterical about forbidden plants - for us

it's

heads -

and try to keep that seedmonster under control if both neighbors have it
seeding freely...

any

way - I guess the racoons on the animal side of the list would choke to
death from laughing at the idea anyone could get rid of them...

--
Martin
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 02:32:07 +0000
From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com>
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Subject: [pbs] Is there a mini blue Watsonia?
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Hi,

The PBS got a question from Roddy Ledlie who asks:

"Is there a miniature blue Watsonia? Got a piece from a client last
year. It has more than doubled and has seeded across the yard and my
first bloom is today."

You can see his photos of it here:

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Shortened URL:

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:37:30 +0000
From: John Ralph Carpenter <ralph.carpenter1@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Is there a mini blue Watsonia?
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It's a Sisyrinchium, isn't it?

On Wednesday, 22 March 2017, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote:
Hi,

The PBS got a question from Roddy Ledlie who asks:

"Is there a miniature blue Watsonia? Got a piece from a client last year.

It has more than doubled and has seeded across the yard and my first bloom
is today."

You can see his photos of it here:

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Shortened URL:

http://bit.ly/2nQiIeC/

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:41:13 +0000
From: Fred Biasella <fbiasella@watertownsavings.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Is there a mini blue Watsonia?
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It kinda looks like a small blue freesia? Definitely an irid though.

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Subject: Re: [pbs] Is there a mini blue Watsonia?

It's a Sisyrinchium, isn't it?

On Wednesday, 22 March 2017, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote:
Hi,

The PBS got a question from Roddy Ledlie who asks:

"Is there a miniature blue Watsonia? Got a piece from a client last year.

It has more than doubled and has seeded across the yard and my first bloom is today."

You can see his photos of it here:

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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:00:33 -0500
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Is there a mini blue Watsonia?
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Dear Roddy,

PLease give some more info:

1. How tall is it?

2. Where is it growing - Country? Plant Zone (hardiness) ? Soil or environment?

3. Does it have a bulb or tuber?

Otherwise these are pretty anonymous pix and need more explanation? Thanks Jim W.

On Mar 21, 2017, at 9:32 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote:

Hi,

The PBS got a question from Roddy Ledlie who asks:

"Is there a miniature blue Watsonia? Got a piece from a client last year. It has more than doubled and has seeded across the yard and my first bloom is today."

You can see his photos of it here:

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Shortened URL:

http://bit.ly/2nQiIeC/

Dr. James Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd
Kansas City, MO 64152-2711
USA
Phone 816-746-1949

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:52:39 -0400
From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Is there a mini blue Watsonia?
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That might be *Lapeirousia azurea*.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/289362/

Dennis in Cincinnati

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:32 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com>
wrote:

Hi,

The PBS got a question from Roddy Ledlie who asks:

"Is there a miniature blue Watsonia? Got a piece from a client last year.
It has more than doubled and has seeded across the yard and my first bloom
is today."

You can see his photos of it here:

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Shortened URL:

http://bit.ly/2nQiIeC/

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