pbs Digest, Vol 94, Issue 5
Adam Fikso (Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:31:09 PDT)
The original 'Dardanus' was fertile both ways with similar crosses, with
many onco or regelia species, and occasionally (rarely) with tall
bearded irises and to a greater extent with Clarence White cultivars--much
depending on the CGW cv selected, age of flower and time of day. Much of
this information is scattered through old Aril Society Yearbooks and not
indexed. Just in old ASI members' heads (back 50 years)
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Iris x dardanus.
Considerable thanks to everyone who took the trouble to shine a bright
light onto my ignorance. My assumption as to nomenclature was based on the
absence of the convention for cultivar names i.e. presentation as I.
'Dardanus' missing from the initial query and kindly pointed out by David
Victor & Robert Pries, to whom specifically, given that we have both
putative parents here maybe I could take a punt at crossing them in both
directions and see what they look like, although maintaining horticultural
hybrids here isn't something I would normally consider but my nose is now
bothering me; all I need to do next year is to try to remember to attempt
it, an unreliable memory might conspire against the venture, one wonders
of course whether respective flowering is synchronous in both taxa,
otherwise such a project would take an extra season presumably.
Once again, many thanks to everyone. Iain
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Iris x dardanus (totototo@telus.net)
2. Re: Banana leaf canna nomenclature question (totototo@telus.net)
3. Iris 'Dardanus' (James Waddick)
4. Re: Iris x dardanus (Adam Fikso)
5. A few nerines (AW)
6. Re: A few nerines (bulborum botanicum)
7. Re: Iris "dardanus" (David Victor)
8. Re: Iris "dardanus" (Robert Pries)
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:50:55 -0700
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On 2 Nov 2010, at 12:12, iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote:
It does not appear that either the name Iris dardanus or Iris x dardanus
has
been validly published in any of the International standard works, e.g.
IPNI
nor can I find it in Innes' standard reference work.
"Dardanus" sure sounds like a cultivar name to me. Keep in mind that
before L.
H. Bailey coined the word & concept "cultivar", cultivated plants were
usually
referred to as "varieties". Moreover, Latinate cultivar names created
before a
cutoff date (in the 1950s if my fallible memory still functions) are
valid,
though they would not be valid if created today.
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Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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On 2 Nov 2010, at 11:48, christopherwhitehouse@rhs.org.uk wrote:
A name either has a description, in which case it is validly published,
or it
does not.
Isn't there a provision that old epithets are considered "described" if
they
refer to a good illustration or a pre-Linnean verbal description?
My memory of this may be wrong, but I recall it as a way of dealing with
epithets published post-Linnaeus but before the ICBN had come into being
with
its many strictures.
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:03:47 -0500
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Friends:
Iris 'Daranus' Van Tubergen, an undated hybrid between I.
korolkowii ( Section Regelia) x I. iberica (Section Oncocyclus).
The Van Tubergen Nursery Ltd, and Zwanenberg Nurseries in
Haarlem, Holland. specialized in Regeliocyclus hybrid iris and
introduced dozen of still popular cultivars. Most of these date to
the period from 1900-1920.
This courtesy of the American Iris Society/ SIGNA cultivar
checklist and Bob Pries.
Best Jim W.
ps Cultivation info on the web site of the "Aril Society International"
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:03:21 -0500
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"Dardanus' is a cultivar; a regeliocyclus, probably I. korolkowi x
I.iberica
or its reciprocal. and not the original clone but a remade cross
reselected
selected. . . I'd have to check--my memory isn't always right.
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On 2 Nov 2010, at 12:12, iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote:
It does not appear that either the name Iris dardanus or Iris x
dardanus
has
been validly published in any of the International standard works, e.g.
IPNI
nor can I find it in Innes' standard reference work.
"Dardanus" sure sounds like a cultivar name to me. Keep in mind that
before L.
H. Bailey coined the word & concept "cultivar", cultivated plants were
usually
referred to as "varieties". Moreover, Latinate cultivar names created
before a
cutoff date (in the 1950s if my fallible memory still functions) are
valid,
though they would not be valid if created today.
--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:06:39 -0700
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Even though they are a month late here are a few (4) nerines today. The
rain
helped. Have others on the Pacific coast seen this tardiness?
Many more to bloom - but, don't worry, I am not posting them!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/
Andrew Wilson
San Diego
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:01:37 +0100
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Hello Andrew
nice nerines but they just have numbers
do you have some names
and what is
IMG_3829_1Roland
2010/11/3 AW <awilson@avonia.com>
Even though they are a month late here are a few (4) nerines today. The
rain
helped. Have others on the Pacific coast seen this tardiness?
Many more to bloom - but, don't worry, I am not posting them!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/
Andrew Wilson
San Diego
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:07:38 +0000
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Iain,
I think that the reason you can't find this taxon is because you are
looking for a botanical epithet, whereas it is a cultivar name for a
hybrid e.g. I. 'Dardanus'. These aren't listed on IPNI or the Kew
Database of Monocots.
Best regards,
David Victor
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT)
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Iain; You can find Dardanus in the Iris Encyclopedia that is under
construction available on the American Iris Society website.
Unfortunately no one has added a picture yet but by poking around with
the various liks you can see its parents and similar hybrids. It appears
that Dardanus was never properly registered but the website is attempting
to show all irises that have appeared in the literature or trade. If you
get a picture you may add it to the listing. Slowly we are asking many
iris taxonomists and fanciers to contribute but we only have 27,000 of
the approximately 80,000 listed and only about 20,000 photos. We welcome
anyone who can contribute their knowledge and photos, since it is a wiki
being built by the world's irisarians. It is free to all. Actually it is
progressing rapidly for only a 10 month old baby.
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Iain,
I think that the reason you can't find this taxon is because you are
looking for a botanical epithet, whereas it is a cultivar name for a
hybrid e.g. I. 'Dardanus'. These aren't listed on IPNI or the Kew
Database of Monocots.
Best regards,
David Victor
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