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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Iris x dardanus (totototo@telus.net)
2. Re: Banana leaf canna nomenclature question (totototo@telus.net)
3. Iris 'Dardanus' (James Waddick)
4. Re: Iris x dardanus (Adam Fikso)
5. A few nerines (AW)
6. Re: A few nerines (bulborum botanicum)
7. Re: Iris "dardanus" (David Victor)
8. Re: Iris "dardanus" (Robert Pries)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:50:55 -0700
From: totototo@telus.net
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris x dardanus
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On 2 Nov 2010, at 12:12, iain@auchgourishbotanicgarden.org wrote:

"Dardanus" sure sounds like a cultivar name to me. Keep in mind that
before L.
H. Bailey coined the word & concept "cultivar", cultivated plants were
usually
referred to as "varieties". Moreover, Latinate cultivar names created
before a
cutoff date (in the 1950s if my fallible memory still functions) are
valid,
though they would not be valid if created today.

--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:50:55 -0700
From: totototo@telus.net
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Banana leaf canna nomenclature question
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On 2 Nov 2010, at 11:48, christopherwhitehouse@rhs.org.uk wrote:

Isn't there a provision that old epithets are considered "described" if
they
refer to a good illustration or a pre-Linnean verbal description?

My memory of this may be wrong, but I recall it as a way of dealing with
epithets published post-Linnaeus but before the ICBN had come into being
with
its many strictures.

--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:03:47 -0500
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Iris 'Dardanus'
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Friends:

Iris 'Daranus' Van Tubergen, an undated hybrid between I.
korolkowii ( Section Regelia) x I. iberica (Section Oncocyclus).
The Van Tubergen Nursery Ltd, and Zwanenberg Nurseries in
Haarlem, Holland. specialized in Regeliocyclus hybrid iris and
introduced dozen of still popular cultivars. Most of these date to
the period from 1900-1920.

This courtesy of the American Iris Society/ SIGNA cultivar
checklist and Bob Pries.

Best Jim W.

ps Cultivation info on the web site of the "Aril Society International"
--
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA
Ph. 816-746-1949
Zone 5 Record low -23F
Summer 100F +

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:03:21 -0500
From: "Adam Fikso" <adam14113@ameritech.net>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris x dardanus
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"Dardanus' is a cultivar; a regeliocyclus, probably I. korolkowi x
I.iberica
or its reciprocal. and not the original clone but a remade cross
reselected
selected. . . I'd have to check--my memory isn't always right.

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 17:06:39 -0700
From: "AW" <awilson@avonia.com>
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] A few nerines
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Even though they are a month late here are a few (4) nerines today. The
rain
helped. Have others on the Pacific coast seen this tardiness?
Many more to bloom - but, don't worry, I am not posting them!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/

Andrew Wilson
San Diego

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:01:37 +0100
From: bulborum botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] A few nerines
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Hello Andrew

nice nerines but they just have numbers
do you have some names
and what is
IMG_3829_1Roland

2010/11/3 AW <awilson@avonia.com>

--
R de Boer
La Maugardiere 1
F 27260 EPAIGNES
FRANCE

Tel./Fax 0033-232-576-204
Email: bulborum@gmail.com

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:07:38 +0000
From: David Victor <davidxvictor@btinternet.com>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris "dardanus"
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Iain,

I think that the reason you can't find this taxon is because you are
looking for a botanical epithet, whereas it is a cultivar name for a
hybrid e.g. I. 'Dardanus'. These aren't listed on IPNI or the Kew
Database of Monocots.

Best regards,
David Victor

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris "dardanus"
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Iain; You can find Dardanus in the Iris Encyclopedia that is under
construction available on the American Iris Society website. Unfortunately
no one has added a picture yet but by poking around with the various liks
you can see its parents and similar hybrids. It appears that Dardanus was
never properly registered but the website is attempting to show all irises
that have appeared in the literature or trade. If you get a picture you
may add it to the listing. Slowly we are asking many iris taxonomists and
fanciers to contribute but we only have 27,000 of the approximately 80,000
listed and only about 20,000 photos. We welcome anyone who can contribute
their knowledge and photos, since it is a wiki being built by the world's
irisarians. It is free to all. Actually it is progressing rapidly for only
a 10 month old baby.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Victor" <davidxvictor@btinternet.com>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:07:38 AM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris "dardanus"

Iain,

I think that the reason you can't find this taxon is because you are
looking for a botanical epithet, whereas it is a cultivar name for a
hybrid e.g. I. 'Dardanus'. These aren't listed on IPNI or the Kew
Database of Monocots.

Best regards,
David Victor

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