Corrrection and warning. I can't say that I can grow any of them reliably here. If you like them it's much better to try arilbreds first (hybrids wth tall bearded and regelia species--some very complex now with 50 years of breeding behind them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix and oncocylus notes > > Adam, > That is interesting, thanks for the references. I would like to say that > my choice of bed location was based on my deep knowledge of bulb and > succulent culture, but its the only viable place close to the house > foundation. I got lucky. I had been concerned about the lack of late > afternoon sun, but it seems to be fine for most agaves, cacti, and lilies > but not so great for a few of the south african succulents that appear to > need more sun. The site has worked so well that I kept expanding it and > its now at the practical size limit. I would have to cut down a couple of > the evil black walnuts to expand further. > I have not tried oncocyclus yet but if you can grow them in Illinois, its > worth a try here. > Regards, > Phil > SE Michigan where the garden stores are out of most supplies as if no one > gardens in November..... > > > >> From: adam14113@ameritech.net >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:03:46 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix and oncocylus notes >> >> Hi. Southeast is interesting because that's the exposure noted by >> Werckmeister and somebody else (Mouterde?) in an early paper for plants >> in >> Syria. Probably morning sun and only light from later when the sun's >> really hot in summer. . >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com> >> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> > >> > Hi Adam- There is not a huge lake effect here but the winters don't >> > seem >> > any worse than mid-Indiana. The bed has a very minimal slope to the >> > southeast but is against the foundation which offers some protection >> > and >> > it has a thick layer of sand for drainage (with a gravel drainage >> > channel >> > at the drip edge). I have a gradient of plants from the foundation >> > outwards graded by cold and moisture sensitivity (mostly by trial and >> > error). >> > Regards, >> > Phil >> > >> >> From: adam14113@ameritech.net >> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:16:56 -0600 >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> >> Phil? Your climate is much like mine in Glenview,IL Maybe a tad >> >> warmer >> >> due >> >> to lake effect and prevaiing winds. Does your soil slope to the SW?. >> >> Better if it does for combined effects of drainage, wind direction, >> >> etc. >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com> >> >> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:21 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Hi All- Thanks for all your comments. In my case I have the sand >> >> > bed >> >> > and >> >> > the stone mulch bone dry when I cover it so I am not particularly >> >> > concerned about rot. In fact, dryness seems to be as important as >> >> > insulation. My major concern is keeping snow melt out of the soil >> >> > with >> >> > the consequent freeze damage in the next temperature drop. >> >> > So I went ahead and picked up a couple of rolls tonight and I'll >> >> > report >> >> > on >> >> > performance some time in April. >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Phil >> >> > Southern (tropical) Michigan, zone 5ish. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> From: adam14113@ameritech.net >> >> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> >> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:55:04 -0600 >> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Santoury in Mass. In was talking about growing oncocyclus >> >> >> species >> >> >> and >> >> >> hybrids. (very touchy) as examples of touchy geophytes. the idea >> >> >> was >> >> >> the >> >> >> the method might be extended to others needing to be protected. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sounds as if you missed a posting. Regards, Adam >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: <santoury@aol.com> >> >> >> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:07 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I thought we were talking about bubble wrap? Isn't that plastic? >> >> >> > Pardon >> >> >> > if >> >> >> > I misunderstood. >> >> >> > The moisture from the rotting leaves is what causes the root rot >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > kills them. >> >> >> > Sand actually probably may be part of the problem, since sand is >> >> >> > very >> >> >> > compressed, and does not allow for any air circulation. >> >> >> > Maybe it would be helpful to know what kind of plants you're >> >> >> > talking >> >> >> > about. >> >> >> > Massachusetts is probably much milder, but it's also very wet in >> >> >> > winter. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I don't cover the plants wet. Also, the fact that the styrofoam >> >> >> > panels >> >> >> > are flat allows air circulation under it. Also each plant is >> >> >> > covered >> >> >> > with >> >> >> > 2-4" of dry sand.. Massachusetts winters can't be harsher than >> >> >> > Chicago >> >> >> > in >> >> >> > terms of degrees below zero >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <santoury@aol.com> >> >> >> > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> >> >> >> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:21 PM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>I did not see the original post - but plastic will rot anything >> >> >> >>under >> >> >> >>it. >> >> >> >> >People here in Mass. cover lawns with plastic, or even tarps, >> >> >> >> >in >> >> >> >> >order to >> >> >> >> >kill grass, and everything else, to re-seed. >> >> >> >> People here use HAY for protection in winter. It would also be a >> >> >> >> much >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> better insulator than a sheet of plastic. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> From: Jtlehmann@aol.com >> >> >> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> >> >> Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 2:25 pm >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I realize the interest is covering the entire bed, and not >> >> >> >> individual >> >> >> >> plants, but as a word of caution: I have known people who used >> >> >> >> regular > >> >> >> >> bubble >> >> >> >> wrap to protect individual tender plants without success; I know >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> one >> >> >> >> who has used it with success. 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