Quite a few mesages have flown through cyberspace since this question was asked, but it needs an answer. Are you using your "horticultural group system" like a grex in the > orchid world? > > What would the naming convention be if we were to follow this suggestion? > > Carlo > It's probably easiest to copy out the notes in the RHS Plant Finder that define a group and a grex: Grex Within orchids, hybrids of the same parentage, regardless of how alike they are, are given a grex name. Individuals can be selected, given cultivar names and propagated vegetatively. For example Pleione Versailles gx 'Bucklebury', where Versailles is the grex name and 'Bucklebury' a selected cultivar. Group This is a collective name for a group of cultivars within a genus with similar characteristics. The word Group is always included and, where cited with a cultivar name, it is enclosed in brackets, for example Actaea simplex (Atropurpurea Group) 'Brunette', where 'Brunette' is a distinct cultivar in a group of purple-leaved cultivars. Another example of a Group is Rhododendron polycladum Scintillans Group. In this case R. scintillans was a species that is now botanically 'sunk' within R. polycladum, but it is still recognised horticulturally as a Group. Group names are also used for swarms of hybrids with the same parentage, for example Rhododendron Polar Bear Group. these were formerly treated as grex names, a term now used only for orchids. A single clone from the Group may be given the same cultivar name, for example, Rhododendron 'Polar Bear'. .................................... In the case of Arum italicum with strongly white-veined leaves, which have been variously known as 'Marmoratum' (= marbled) or 'Pictum' (= painted), there is clearly a vast number of seedlings that bear this characteristic. They can't all be one cultivar, but they certainly share the defining character of white veins and as such the Group concept is ideal. Since 'Pictum' is an undesirable name because of the existence of the species Arum pictum, Marmoratum is the preferred epithet and Marmoratum Group would therefore be most appropriate. Within the Arum italicum Marmoratum Group are numerous selected cultivars (some of dubious value, mind you!) e.g. 'Winter Beauty', 'White Winter' and these would be written Arum italicum (Marmoratum Group) 'White Winter'. Seedlings from the clone 'White Winter' would then just blend back into the Group, unless one were sufficiently distinct to warrant a cultivar name. My reservation about the Group concept is that in (let's call them) unparticular hands it could be used to make something seem better than it is, and can conceal a multitude of inferior plants. For example, the Actaea (formerly Cimicifuga) 'Brunette' example, the seedlings can be only just brown over green, but still count as Atropurpurea Group. The wise gardener will always go for a named selection anyway, but the less experienced might be seduced into getting something inferior that bears an important-sounding name - 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.' As always, careful definition of the Group, or cultivar's characteristics is very important. John Grimshaw Dr John M. Grimshaw Sycamore Cottage Colesbourne Nr Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL53 9NP Tel. 01242 870567 COLESBOURNE PARK OPEN DAYS 2007 Easter Monday 9 April, Arboretum Weekend 15-16 September Gates open 1pm, last entry 4 pm website: http://www.colesbournegardens.org.uk/