Mary Sue wrote: " Rolf Fiedler on the other hand is a short bloomer if at all. It has expanded a bit from my initial purchase so I now have it blooming in a container and in one of my raised beds (in a container, but submerged)." I think I see the problem here, Mary Sue. They really don't need to be under water! : ) Jim McKenney jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where I wonder what cream of Ipheion soup might be like. My Virtual Maryland Garden http://www.jimmckenney.com/ Webmaster Potomac Valley Chapter, NARGS Editor PVC Bulletin http://www.pvcnargs.org/ Webmaster Potomac Lily Society http://www.potomaclilysociety.org/