Rodger Whitlock, totototo@telus.net wrote: The common Ipheions we have here in Victoria, BC include... ==================== And I, also in Victoria, can't grow them despite years of trying. I've been trying to figure out why. The places I notice them are ungardened - under oaks at an old house, or along a recently-widened road edge. It seems that if they manage to survive, then they survive on their own. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers