(First, apologies if this more or less duplicates a previous posting; as far as I can tell, it never went through.) As everyone clearly agrees, cold tolerance does not define hardiness! Here in zone 5 (lows to -20F), for example, I grow (in the open, unsheltered garden)the following South Africans: Kniphofia hirsuta, northiae, stricta, typhoides, breviflora, linearifolia, brachystachya, caulescens, triangularis ssp. triangularis, ichopensis, and maybe a couple of others I've forgotten; also Dierama igneum, dracomontanum, trichorrhizum, and pauciflorum; Gladiolus oppositiflorus ssp. salmoneus, old G. dalenii hybrids ("primulinus" types) and G. saundersii; Moraea huttonii; Eucomis montana, autumnalis, and bicolor; Tritonia disticha v. rubrolucens; Galtonia viridiflora and regalis; and a bunch of herbaceous things (Berkeheya purpurea, B. multijuga, Artemisia afra, Geranium robustum, Wahlenbergia rivularis, to name most of them). The secret here is snow cover: usually there from December through March. Last week we got 5 feet in 36 hours, so I guess we're set until about May this year. The ground stays relatively warm under all that insulation. But I have to disagree with some people about kniphofias not tolerating wetness. Here, at least, they revel in it. They freeze and thaw in it for weeks in early "spring" (what we call "mud season" here). Because I garden on a hill, even the wet areas are moving wet, so perhaps that's the key - I don't know. So the bottom line is that minimum temperatures tell you relatively little - Ellen Hornig Oswego NY USA Zone 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .