>>>>are you saying you have Ammocharis coranica in the ground, unprotected in NC with 8F and it flowers from three years ?! Hi Angelo, I grow Ammocharis coranica outside here in my gravel bed, sadly no flowers yet but it survives down to minus 4-5C. But yes Tony's report about it and the Brusvigia is astonishing news. I've just had the good fortune to discuss it with John Bryan this evening over dinner, and he seems to be enjoying his stay very much despite the poor weather. Best Wishes, Dave (Plymouth, UK) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com/). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/04