I wanted to thank you all for the bits and bobs on Babs. Mary Sue, not to worry, there were a few private comments, as well! Most agree they are easy, if it's not too cold, so, in my Zone 8, I'm going to start them in a deep pot and transfer them to the garden in the Summer. Well, I'm off for a few day to do a conference, so, well hear each other when I'm back. It makes a nice escape, as this is the week of Karnival in Cologne and all hell breaks loose! Ciao, Jamie V. Cologne