Ellen Hornig notes that Kniphofia species may be more susceptible to wet cold than to plain cold, and I think this is right to some extent. However, I also grow a number of species in this genus here in northwestern Oregon in the foothills of the Cascades, where winters are very wet indeed and also cold (near or below freezing most nights between mid-November and April). Even K. northiae, a peculiar species that resembles an Agave in foliage form and has a huge but rather unattractive flower, has persisted here for a long time in rather poor soil on a hillside. On the other hand, I have not found some of the named hybrids from England to tolerate winters here, especially the widely sold small light yellow whose name escapes me at the moment. To get tolerant border kniphofias, I started with a packet of "dwarf hybrid" seeds about 16 years ago. I took seed from plants that survived the famous Pacific deep freeze of 1990-91 and grew on a lot of seedlings from them. From these I selected one moderate-sized plant with bronze stems, narrow evergreen foliage, and clear yellow flowers. I have a planting of it in the garden now that does well every year, and have given divisions to a few people; I think one nursery was selling it for a while. It's not necessarily a better plant than other selections, but it's better for this particular climate. Anyone who has room to trial a batch of seedlings can perform the same experiment, and I did not find it difficult to get rid of the clones I didn't want (though it's pretty strenuous to dig up a full-grown kniphofia). Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon