Urginia, Uli and Jim

4) I avoid plants I know will be eaten. I have armies of leafcutter
ants. They can turn a hibiscus to twigs overnight. It?s like something
in National Geographic. They live in huge underground nests where they
cultivate fungus. A Mayan plantsman suggested I pour a can of gasoline
down the hole, drop in a match, and run like hell. He said very few ants
would remain in the crater.

Jane

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (Linda Foulis)
2. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (Nicholas plummer)
3. Urginea maritima (Johannes Ulrich Urban)
4. Re: Urginea maritima (Jim McKenney)
5. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (Tim Eck)
6. Re: lifting bulbs for winter (ds429)
7. Re: Bulbs reforming (arcangelo wessells)
8. possibly off topic (Tim Eck)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:04:44 -0700
From: Linda Foulis <lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter
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Dennis,
I wonder if your hippeastrum succumbed to something else? Or there were contributing factors besides cold. Mine have experienced light frost, a few degrees lower, and survived. Mine are all in pots as well.
Shame, I don't like losing my hippies either.

It's a crisp -27C (-16F) this morning, fortunately no wind.

Linda M Foulis
Beautiful Blooms
http://www.beautifulblooms.ab.ca/

On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> wrote:

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 11:13:07 -0500
From: Nicholas plummer <nickplummer@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter
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Hi Dennis,

Rodophiala bifida, at least the red form known as "ox blood lily," is an
autumn/winter grower. My plants follow roughly the same schedule as
Lycoris radiata, leafing out in late September or early October and staying
green all winter. The foliage dies back when the weather warms up in the
spring. If you can't keep it in the ground all winter, I think you'll have
to grow it permanently as a potted plant. It probably won't appreciate
annual disturbance during its growing season, and there's not much point in
planting it outside just for the summer dormancy.

Nick Plummer
Durham, NC, USDA Zone 7

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Dennis Krambwrote:

Also much to my surprise (since this is my first year growing them)
Rhodophiala bifida were as happy as can be & still growing strong with deep
green leaves. Whereas all my other amaryllids have foliage completely
zapped down to the ground.

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 21:04:53 +0100
From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de>
To: Pacifib Bulb Society messages <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Urginea maritima
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Hello Jane,

Interesting that you garden in two VERY different places, I imagine your
Mexican garden very interesting. I have been to Mexico twice with a long
time in between the trips and found the country extremely intersting
botanically and culturally. But I have not been to Yucatan.

However, I think that Urginea maritima will not grow there as it is a
typical mediterranean bulb with the leaves emerging in late autumn after
the winter rain has started and drying off in spring when it gets warm
again. Mediterranean winters are cool, almost frost free and wet. In
general it is the onset of warm weather that sends the bulb into
dormancy, so that may be the problem in Yucatan. The bulb will "think"
that it is summer (dormancy) all the time. It flowers in early autumn
before the rains start in a leafless state and a large field of flowers
is an impressive sight indeed. Also impressive are the huge bulbs that
sometimes are only half buried in the ground and are well visible this way.

Bye for today,

Uli

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Urginea maritima
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Uli wrote:"a large field of flowers?
is an impressive sight indeed. Also impressive are the huge bulbs that?
sometimes are only half buried in the ground and are well visible this way."

Also impressive is the foliage. My plant, obtained as a huge bulb in the fall of 2015, did not bloom yet; and given the conditions I can offer it, it might never bloom. (I'm growing it as a house plant).?But if you've got the space, it's a very handsome foliage plant.?
Earlier in this thread, Eugene forwarded a request from Erica for organically produced Urginea maritima. No one has commented on this, so I will. It's the "organically produced" part which intrigues me. I hope it's not intended for human consumption. Urginea maritima is traditionally used as a rat poison, isn't it? A quick wikipedia?check confirmed that, but also informed me that it has purported medicinal uses.?

Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the first big temperature drop of the season might happen tomorrow morning.?

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:21:59 -0500
From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter
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My Rhodo. Bifida seem to survive a wet zone 6 winter very well outdoors.
I think the cold wet winter would do in all of my hippeastrum. I am trying
to overwinter some hipps in a white plastic (15% transmission) cold-frame
this year, but they definitely require drying out first.

Tim Eck

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From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Kramb
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:41 AM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter

Yesterday I lifted my tender bulbs & geophytes to store them indoors for
winter.

Much to my surprise one Hippeastrum bulb had already succumbed to winter
cold & was turning mushy. That upsets me because the temps have barely
dropped below 30 deg F so far, and this is one I raised from seed years

ago.

Also much to my surprise (since this is my first year growing them)
Rhodophiala bifida were as happy as can be & still growing strong with

deep

green leaves. Whereas all my other amaryllids have foliage completely
zapped down to the ground.

My Manfreda maculosa were surprisingly green & happy. I didn't expect

that

from a Texas plant in Ohio. But I brought them indoors too, just in case.

Another surprise was that 2 Polianthes "Golden Harvest" had bloomed this
season without me ever noticing. But there were the dead stalks in

evidence,

plain as day. How annoying to have missed it!

Since the Rhodophiala were actively growing I potted them up & placed them
on a windowsill for winter.

Dennis in Cincinnati (where the wind chill is at 15 deg F right now)

BRRRRR!!!!

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
From: ds429 <ds429@frontier.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter
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I have been pleasantly surprised to have my Rhodophiala bifida survive several winters when it went well below zero here in North-central West Virginia (Zone 5/6?) and multiply and bloom profusely.

Dell

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On Thu, 12/8/16, Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com> wrote:

Subject: [pbs] lifting bulbs for winter
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, December 8, 2016, 9:41 AM

Yesterday I lifted my tender bulbs
& geophytes to store them indoors for
winter.

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 15:30:50 -0800
From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs reforming
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I should have been more specific. I am particularly interested in the growth patterns of the Calochortus and Brodiaea
Jim

Hi Jim,
I am attaching links to two photos that may help with your question.
https://flic.kr/p/zoA8tn/
https://flic.kr/p/PQLvKa/
In both photos you can see the trail of obsolete bulb coats from previous years as they have pulled themselves deeper. You can also see the white of the current bulb moving out of the bottom of the most recent coat. Some of the bulbs had started to grow roots at this time. They continue to use the same "neck" as a conduit for their leaves to reach the surface. Leaf tips can emerge bent and twisted if they had the old neck removed.
I just went outside and unpotted two plants. One was probably flowering size, seven years old but was never fed in its early years. Both bulbs look like they are devoting themselves fully to growth. I do not know if they will move and remake their bulb coat before summer dormancy, but I would think so.
Not an answer, but I hope it helps.

Arcangelo Wessells
Vallejo CA

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:10:35 -0500
From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
To: "PBS list" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] possibly off topic
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All,

I recently came across a book that would probably appeal to most PBS members
although the topic is geophytic only by a stretch of imagination. "Field
Guide to North American Truffles"

I was surprised that there were north American truffles as they had not
appeared in my mushroom hunting guides of yore. I was also surprised that,
unlike mushrooms, the (raw) spores are indigestible and they are designed to
be eaten (especially by voles). The introductory pages says they are mostly
basidiomycetes and ascomycetes that evolved from the above-ground mushrooms
with wind-born spores. Hence, the appealing aromas that increase as the
spores mature so animals can find them better.

Happy Truffle Hunting!

Tim Eck

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