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Today's Topics:

1. Re: pbs] Mark McDonough alliums available (Pacific Rim)
2. BX 162 (Dennis Szeszko)
3. Re: BX 162 (Richard)
4. Sleeping Beauties from South America (totototo@telus.net)
5. Re: Sleeping Beauties from South America (Mark Mazer)
6. Fritillaria hybrids (Jane McGary)
7. Re: Fritillaria hybrids (Robin Hansen)
8. Re: Sleeping Beauties from South America and double wild
Narcissus (brown.mark)
9. Re: Sleeping Beauties from South America Ipheons (Lauw de Jager)
10. Wiki Additions- Hepatica, Narcissus, Leptoceras (Mary Sue Ittner)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:31:49 -0700
From: "Pacific Rim" <paige@hillkeep.ca>
Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs] Mark McDonough alliums available
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Jerry John Flintoff wrote:

We agree on the beauty of the creature, at least. :-))

Paige

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:05:55 -0600
From: "Dennis Szeszko" <dszeszko@gmail.com>
Subject: [pbs] BX 162
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Johannes:

I will do my best to source seeds of both of these plants for you, but it
will not be until September. I have a few corms of Milla magnifica that I
will be planting in the next few weeks and with some luck they will
produce
copious seed. The other plant that I tentatively have identified as a
Rhodochiton species is growing in my greenhouse and will likely produce
seed, as well. A botanist was going to confirm the identify of this plant
for me and l will be pass along the information to the PBS listserv.

The other seed that I offered of Tigridia aff. mortonii in BX 162 has been
confirmed by a Tigridia specialist as, indeed, being this species. This
is
a true botanical oddity and the first time that this plant has been
collected in over 85 years. I hope that people who received seeds of
this
species have luck in growing it to flowering size. It is the only known
Tigridia species with red flowers. (Tigridia pavonia has some selected
clones that are red, but in nature it is never this color.)

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:19:59 -0800
From: "Richard" <xerics@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] BX 162
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Dennis,

I received a few seeds of the ?rhodochiton? But so far there is no
germination. I keep them in a greenhouse with a 80 degree minimum temp.
(heat Mat) Any ideas on germination them. It has been a long while.

The only seed that showed some germination was the Pentstamen.

Richard
Vista CA

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[mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Szeszko
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:06 PM
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Subject: [pbs] BX 162

Johannes:

I will do my best to source seeds of both of these plants for you, but
it will not be until September. I have a few corms of Milla magnifica
that I will be planting in the next few weeks and with some luck they
will produce copious seed. The other plant that I tentatively have
identified as a Rhodochiton species is growing in my greenhouse and will
likely produce seed, as well. A botanist was going to confirm the
identify of this plant for me and l will be pass along the information
to the PBS listserv.

The other seed that I offered of Tigridia aff. mortonii in BX 162 has
been confirmed by a Tigridia specialist as, indeed, being this species.
This is a true botanical oddity and the first time that this plant has
been
collected in over 85 years. I hope that people who received seeds of
this
species have luck in growing it to flowering size. It is the only known
Tigridia species with red flowers. (Tigridia pavonia has some selected
clones that are red, but in nature it is never this color.)

no

harvest

trying

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:15:26 -0700
From: totototo@telus.net
Subject: [pbs] Sleeping Beauties from South America
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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Some years ago, a pot of Beauverdia sellowiana (aka Ipheion
sellowianum, and now considered as Nothoscordum something-or-other)
was exposed to more cold than it could handle. But instead of the
bulbs rotting away, they simply went totally dormant. Every year I'd
inspect the pot, note the absence of new growth, tip it out, and see
endless bulbs just sitting there with no trace of root or top growth.

The smaller bulblets dwindled in numbers, but the larger ones seemed
to hold their own.

Someone posted a message here on the PBS mailing list in which they
mentioned using heat to give some sluggish amaryllidaceous plant a
kick in the ribs and wake up to active growth. Following this tip, I
moved my Beauverdia into the house and parked in inside a south-
facing patio door where it got full sun most of the day and the soil
was warmed up well and truly.

This strategy worked; the Beauverdia soon came back to life and has
thriven to this day, though flowers remain few.

This last week I was making the rounds of the coldframes and observed
two other Iphieon-ish bulbs showed only a very few grassy leaves.
These were seedlings of Ipheion 'Alberto Castillo' and Ipheion 'Rolf
Fiedler' (now Tristagma something-or-other). On tipping the pots out,
it was the same story all over again with both of them: plenty of
healthy bulbs, but no roots and no top growth.

These are now undergoing the patio door treatment and I have my
fingers crossed. I'll give this mailing list a report in a month or
two when the experiment will have failed or succeeded.

I wonder how widespread in the Amaryllidaceae this kind of behavior
is. Has anyone else noticed it and, if so, in what species? Or is
this behavior restricted to Ipheion and its close relatives?

PS: Ipheion uniflora itself seems immune to cold: flats of seedlings
of 'Froyle Mill' exposed to the full onslaught of winter cold and
rain have plenty of foliage and even some flowers.

--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate

on beautiful Vancouver Island

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:24:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Mark Mazer <markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sleeping Beauties from South America
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I recently moved potted Beauverdia 7 hundred or so miles southward from
Connecticut to North Carolina, keep them to the same minimum winter
temperature, but the bloom and vigor is significantly better here in NC. I
think they may prefer the higher summer temps, or are responding to the
better quality light.

Ipheion 'Alberto Cstillo' is just going over in the greenhouse, but in the
landscape, they have been in bloom for several weeks now. Will these
become weedy in northeast NC?

Mark Mazer
Hertford, Norrth Carolina, USA
Zone 7b-8, I think

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:03:06 -0700
From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
Subject: [pbs] Fritillaria hybrids
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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The fritillarias are getting going well now and I'm having the annual
anxiety of trying to verify their identities. Oh for a monograph! I wish I
were not so intimidated by the thought of posting photos on the PBS
wiki --
every time I try it, I seem to do it wrong.

The big surprise today was the first flower in a pot of seedlings of F.
pluriflora, seeds from my own plants. It appears to be a hybrid with the
pollen parent probably being F. striata, which flowers nearby at the same
time. F. pluriflora flowers are held upfacing or at an oblique tilt,
whereas this one has fully pendent flowers like F. striata. The tepals are
slightly reflexed at the tips, like striata but not like pluriflora. It is
deep pink, like pluriflora, but shows the "dotted line" tesselation of F.
striata, and also that species' white style. It does not have the sweet
fragrance typical of striata. I have sent photos to experts for their
opinions. These two species both come from California, but are widely
separated geographically.

I'm eagerly awaiting the first flowering this year of another plant that I
know is a hybrid, because I made a deliberate cross with pollen of F.
eastwoodiae onto what I think is F. gentneri (or a very large, flaring F.
recurva, which is basically ... gentneri). I did this because I had only
one clone of the latter, so could not get pure seed of it, and was
curious.
F. eastwoodiae itself is sometimes claimed to be a natural hybrid of F.
recurva x F. micrantha, but it is very stable and fertile, and I suspect
it
should be viewed as a good species.

I've previously written about bee hybrids here between F. biflora and F.
purdyi (both ways), and Ed Rustvold of Berkeley, California, has sent me
material of plants he thinks are this cross. Diana Chapman and I have
apparent hybrids of F. liliacea x F. agrestis that were made by bees here
-- no improvement on the former, unfortunately, as they are green instead
of white and smell bad.

I prefer to grow wild species, but these garden hybrids are fascinating
too, and the purdyi x biflora cross is both attractive and unusually
robust, probably a better garden plant than the somewhat miffy F. purdyi
but preserving its black-and-white tessellation and shiny surface texture.
It also produces many offsets AND viable seed -- I may see the F2 flower
this year.

So if you'd like to be a lily breeder and don't have much room, consider
their little cousins.

Jane McGary
Northwestern Oregon, USA

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:11:29 -0700
From: "Robin Hansen" <hansennursery@coosnet.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Fritillaria hybrids
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <003d01c884af$8f1b8db0$c7f164d0@homed4aec9b2d8>
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My frits, too, are having their happiest spring in years, think it must be
the prolonged cold we have had here on the coast -- weeks and weeks of it.

A question for Jane and whoever received Erythronium x multiscapoideum or
?? Multiscapoideum itself is blooming but there is an erythronium you
thought might be a hybrid, Jane; it is spectacular! The leaf pattern is
quite a bit darker and more defined and the leaves, stems and buds are all
flushed a wonderful rose. It's not quite in bloom yet and I will get
photos as soon as possible.

Has anyone had this one bloom? And if so, do you have any clues as to
identity? It does seem more vigorous than the species.

Robin Hansen
Southwest Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane McGary
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: [pbs] Fritillaria hybrids

The fritillarias are getting going well now and I'm having the annual
anxiety of trying to verify their identities. Oh for a monograph! I wish
I
were not so intimidated by the thought of posting photos on the PBS
wiki --
every time I try it, I seem to do it wrong.

The big surprise today was the first flower in a pot of seedlings of F.
pluriflora, seeds from my own plants. It appears to be a hybrid with the
pollen parent probably being F. striata, which flowers nearby at the same
time. F. pluriflora flowers are held upfacing or at an oblique tilt,
whereas this one has fully pendent flowers like F. striata. The tepals
are
slightly reflexed at the tips, like striata but not like pluriflora. It
is
deep pink, like pluriflora, but shows the "dotted line" tesselation of F.
striata, and also that species' white style. It does not have the sweet
fragrance typical of striata. I have sent photos to experts for their
opinions. These two species both come from California, but are widely
separated geographically.

I'm eagerly awaiting the first flowering this year of another plant that
I
know is a hybrid, because I made a deliberate cross with pollen of F.
eastwoodiae onto what I think is F. gentneri (or a very large, flaring F.
recurva, which is basically ... gentneri). I did this because I had only
one clone of the latter, so could not get pure seed of it, and was
curious.
F. eastwoodiae itself is sometimes claimed to be a natural hybrid of F.
recurva x F. micrantha, but it is very stable and fertile, and I suspect
it
should be viewed as a good species.

I've previously written about bee hybrids here between F. biflora and F.
purdyi (both ways), and Ed Rustvold of Berkeley, California, has sent me
material of plants he thinks are this cross. Diana Chapman and I have
apparent hybrids of F. liliacea x F. agrestis that were made by bees here
-- no improvement on the former, unfortunately, as they are green instead
of white and smell bad.

I prefer to grow wild species, but these garden hybrids are fascinating
too, and the purdyi x biflora cross is both attractive and unusually
robust, probably a better garden plant than the somewhat miffy F. purdyi
but preserving its black-and-white tessellation and shiny surface
texture.
It also produces many offsets AND viable seed -- I may see the F2 flower
this year.

So if you'd like to be a lily breeder and don't have much room, consider
their little cousins.

Jane McGary
Northwestern Oregon, USA

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:50:18 +0100
From: "brown.mark" <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sleeping Beauties from South America and double
wild Narcissus
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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That is strange beacause I nearly lost my Rolf Fiedler through cold until
it
wen't back into the greenhouse which has some minimal heat.Now I have two
pot fulls after going down to one or two bulbs.It is just as you say all
the
baby bulbs died in the freeze.Nothing happened for a year.I nearly gave up
but tipped out the bulbs from thier pot and as there was still a week leaf
or two I persisted.And voil? the result.Wisley blue can cope with much
more
cold.I have lost Charlotte Bishop sadly ,but Alberto Castillio is in the
open garden and flowers whenever it feels like it and the weather is not
too
cold.I must try to get some more clones.I have to get everything from
England which is a drag...
Double clones of Narcissus pseudonarcissus are coming out now.I have seven
or eight diffrent ones.Who else grows or likes these?The woods around here
in Normandy are yellow with them.Sunday I found a pale citron single form
in
the woods by the sea here.
----- Original Message -----
From: <totototo@telus.net>
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: [pbs] Sleeping Beauties from South America

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:21:53 +0100
From: Lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Sleeping Beauties from South America Ipheons
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Dear listmembers,
Now that Paige opened the subject on Ipheions, I would like report on our
Iphions here in the nursery. All grown outside in the ground and flowering
is now at its best.
Following my Ipheion posting last summer I report on the september 2006
sowings of: --Alberto Castillo (fairly uniform, but 100% white),
-- Charlotte Bishop (varying from light rose to a nice deep pink),
--Froylemill, (70% deep purple, some with a white centre, some all
purple,
by the way I doubt the identity of Froylemill in the wiki page, the sowing
contains some interesting large pale blue plants, possibly a result of
"Alberto Castillo" pollen?)
--Rolf Fiedler: 100% true
Some list members obtained several lots of 100b of these sowings, it would
be interesting to hear their reports on the flowering.

Alberto Castillo has sent me some bulbs of a selection "Summerskies",
which
now shows its large blue flowers. It looks like a large improved form of
'Rolf Fiedler'(I will have a closer look at its bulbs next summer) and is
certainly of future interest.
Next weekend I will put up a series of pictures on the wiki.
Bye for now

-- Lauw de Jager
Bulb'Argence
South of France (zone 9 (olive trees)
emailto: dejager@bulbargence.com
Site http://www.bulbargence.com/

Le 12/03/08 22:15, ??totototo@telus.net?? <totototo@telus.net> a ?crit?:

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:11:50 -0700
From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
Subject: [pbs] Wiki Additions- Hepatica, Narcissus, Leptoceras
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
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In the past week there have been these additions:
Hepatica nobilis from Alessandro Marinello
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Additional Narcissus pictures from Jay Yourch
Additional pictures of 'Elka' and 'Snipe' at a later stage when the cup
color has faded
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
New pictures of 'Pinza'
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
Add new cultivars 'Toby the First' and 'Wisley'
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
Add Narcissus jonquilla var. henriquesii
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

Another orchid from Australia, Leptoceras menziesii or the Rabbit or Hare
orchid.
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

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