Wow! i FOUND THE URL, unfortunately It seems to verify what i have been noting although I can see how someone might interprt it otherwise because of the variability. I really don't want to debate global warming. Ithe phenomenon is pretty well accepted. People still debate whether it is within the range of natural conditions or whether man has had an effect. I started out as an ecologist 30 years ago and I thought we had resolved that then and I think it is a matter of common sense and basic science. But many people still seem divided. It really doesn't matter. The indisputable fact is that the climate is warming whether a natural cycle or not and it appears that we could controll it if we wish by certain interventions. In my mind these interventions could be extradinarily profitable for our standard of living but that is a political decision and has no place here. But the basic science on how water can protect a plant is useful and that is the most important issue for our forum. It not my place to be reccommending how to make us all wealthier. I don't expect to live more than twenty more years and even if the wrong decisions are made I will be at the end of my life as the most severe consequences are felt. It is not my problem. --- Tim Harvey <zigur@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Just add a 'g' to the url so it ends .jpg > > T> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:19:50 -0800> From: > rpries@sbcglobal.net> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] FROSTS> > I really wosh you > source was correct but it appears to> have > disappeared along with much of the ice shelf.> > --- > Mark Mazer <markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net> wrote:> > > > Miss the point.> > > > The metrics presented by > idealogs and media never> > include statistics from > the 90% South.> > > > Ice coverage info was not > available via satellite> > until 1978-9> > > > The > current Antarctic ice mass is above the annual> > > mean recorded since 1978-9. > > > >> > http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/…> > > > > You are correct that it has retreated from the > very> > RECENT RECORD HIGH coverage.> > > > > > > “If you keep saying things are going to be bad,> > > you have a good chance of being a prophet.â€� I.B.> > > Singer> > > > Mark Mazer> > Hertford, NC> > Where > even if there was no such thing as global> > warming > it would be hot and humid.> > > > -----Original > Message-----> > >From: Robt R Pries > <rpries@sbcglobal.net>> > >Sent: Nov 13, 2007 4:46 > PM> > >To: Pacific Bulb Society > <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>> > >Subject: Re: [pbs] > FROSTS> > >> > >If the South Pole has record cold > why is the ice> > shelf> > >there retreating many > miles back towards the pole.> > >Amazing> > >> > > >--- Mark Mazer <markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net>> > > wrote:> > >> > >> . Just imagine the tremendous> > > >> >number of calories that are being absorbed> > >> > presently> > >> >by the melting ice caps at the > North Pole. Once> > >> that> > >> >ice is gone > imagine how hot it could get without> > >> > >something out there to absorb the excess. > > >> > > > >> Like the present day South pole. Record warm> > > North,> > >> record cold South. Hmm!!!> > >> Mark > Mazer> > >> Hertford, NC> > >> > _______________________________________________> > > >> pbs mailing list> > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > > >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> > >> > > > >> > > >_______________________________________________> > > >pbs mailing list> > >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > > >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> > > >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> > > > > _______________________________________________> > > pbs mailing list> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> > > _______________________________________________> pbs > mailing list> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/> _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/