I have to echo Jim Waddick's comments most enthusiastically. PBS is a treasure chest; and the treasure it contains are the many knowledgeable and enthusiastic plantspeople (i.e., plantsmen and plantswomen) who are its members. We owe a great deal to the guardians of this treasure as well -- our thanks to Mary Sue, to Dell, to Arnold, and to the others past and present who have made PBS work! To all the members of the pbs list, I wish you good health, good luck, and good cheer for the holidays and for the coming year! May your plants grow, your bulbs flower, and your seeds germinate! Best wishes, Jim Shields ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA