Iain, You are perhaps the only person who didn't capture what I hoped would be an obvious tongue-in-cheek rejoinder to the shower of messages in this thread. You are quite correct about how difficult (daft) it would be for us to be communicating with common names--which I never use, despite their sometimes equally colorful origins.... Carlo A. Balistrieri The Gardens at Turtle Point Tuxedo Park, NY 10987 Zone 6 (845.351.2849) Visit: http://www.botanicalgardening.com/ and its BGBlog