I somehow managed to stay out of the the Latin pronunciation discussion, but I was just looking at my (rapidly dwindling) Kniphofia 'Christmas cheer' and thinking how much it looked like an Aloe. But what about the other Asphodelaceae? I'd put Bulbinella about halfway between Aloe and Asphodel. Max Withers almost freezing but finally raining Oakland CA I cannot resist adding, pace everyone's spam filters, that a Fuschia truly memorial of Leonhard Fuchs would have to be pronounced FUCK-sia. I've just discovered that his De historia stirpium commentarii insignes is available on google books: http://books.google.com/books/… Message: 13 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Leo A. Martin" <leo@possi.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] Kniphofia in South Africa To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <170c1712c697ff24d0ad64b5136abc5c.squirrel@http://www.possi.org/> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Just to stir the pot, I heard a lecture on Aloe by Gideon Smith of the NBI in Pretoria in which he mentioned in passing that DNA work is showing Kniphofia should probably be included in Aloe. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA