In a message dated 29-Nov-02 8:38:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, batlette@cox.net writes: Cathy ~ Can someone please send me again the www. address of Judith Freeman's catalog? Someone has put the entire catalog online and I did not bookmark it. http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/lilygarden/cat.html Since you can grow lilies, what you really need to grow are some of the new Orienpets, in particular, Arabesque. This fabulous lily will grow eight feet tall with 15 blooms and just go on getting better and better. Dave Karnstedt