Dear All, I lay my hands out to be smacked since I seem to grow more obtuse as I grow older and "wiser". The import of this discussion about winter vs summer growers continues to elude me. I just don't understand. I grow everything which is not hardy indoors during my winter/frost season (Oct - May). Inside, I have many square feet of gro-light space. Also, I have a 30 ft, south-facing window space. I can control the conditions under which I grow seed - light, water, etc. Now, am I growing under conditions which obviate the need to worry about winter/summer growing? I understand how some seeds would prefer to have their biological clocks heeded and will not germinate readily if the season is wrong. But does that have to do at all with water and light? Irids are the ones I always have trouble with regardless of the time of year I sow. Consequently, I grow very few of them, indoors. Outdoors, in my climate, rain is possible any time of the year. Temperatures range from 0 F in winter to 100 F in summer. Winter snow cover is rare. Growing Mediterranean things outside seems tough. I do have a small heated cold frame (oxymoron?) where I winter some hesperanthas, romuleas, geissorhizas and one moraea. They don't bloom yet (except the occasional romulea). I left those pots in the frame all summer without any water. The temps must have soared there since the plastic dial on my max/min thermometer warped. They are mostly growing again and are bigger in some cases. Talk about malign neglect! Anyway, I hope someone can enlighten me on these scores. Cheers, Dell -- Dell Sherk, SE PA US Zone 6. Amaryllids, South Americans, Cyrtanthus, Nerine, Hardy bulbs, and, after a lapse, Lachenalia and gesneriads.