To Mary Sue - Yes, Jim found that with Allium, Brodiaea, Dichelostemma, Triteleia, Calochortus, and "wet-growing" Lilium, he had much better luck using seeds from the middle-altitude Sierra foothills in the north and from the North Coast Ranges, and from the mid-to-higher altitude Sierra foothills in the south. He had more difficulty with the Erythronium, Fritillaria, Trillium, and the "dry-growing" Lilium, and, with a few exceptions, with species from the South Coast Ranges, unable to produced what could be called commercial quantities, regardless of exactly where and at what altitude the seeds had been collected. I don't think he ever hit upon exactly what the differences were; he just accepted the results, and happily enjoyed what grew well for him. Your note on T. laxa is quite nice, but I am not sure that this species grows into Oregon, at least not in any appreciable populations. I don't think Jim and I ever found it "across the border to the north." T. bridgesii does grow in Oregon, of course, together with a few other Triteleia species. All my best --------------- Georgie