A nomenclature question

I’ll echo Jim’s comments about Kurita’s work, which is by far the best and most complete work on lycoris. Not only was he a brilliant scientist, but he also grew and hybridized lycoris. Below is a summary of Kurita’s work, for anyone else as obsessed by the genus

Kurita, Siro

2004

Chromosome science 8(4), 132, 2004-10-01

Species Evolution by Hybridization in the genus Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae

Kurita, Siro

1986a

Cytologia 51: 803-815

Variation and evolution in the karyotype of Lycoris , Amaryllidaceae (I) General karyomorphological characteristics of the genus

Kurita, Siro

1987b

Cytologia 52: 117-128, 1987

Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris Amaryllidaceae III, Intraspecific variation in the karyotype of L. traubii Hayward

Kurita, Siro

1987c

Cytologia 52: 137-149, 1987

Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae IV. Intraspecific variation in the karyotype of L. radiata (Herb) and the origin of this triploid species (L' Herit)

Kurita, Siro

1987a

Cytologia 52: 19-40

Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae II. Karyotype analysis of ten taxa among which seven are native in China

Kurita, Siro

1988a

Cytologia 53: 307-321

Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae VI. Intrapopulational and/or intraspecific variation in the karyotype of L. sanguinea Max. var. kiushiana

Kurita, Siro

1988b

Cytologia 53: 323-335

Variation and Evolution in the Karyotype of Lycoris, Amaryllidaceae VII Modes of karyotype alteration within species and probable trend of karyotype evolution in the genus

Kurita, Siro

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/…

Origin of the sterile taxa in Lycoris - Species Evolution by Hybridization in the genus Lycoris

Kurita, Siro

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/…

Cultivars of Artificial Hybrids

Kurita, Siro

1985

J. Jap. Bot 60: 275-279

Geoclinal change in the pollen ornamentation of Lycoris sanguinea var. sanguinea

Kurita, Siro

1980

J. Jap. Bot. 55: 287-288

Lycoris aurea versus L. traubii.

Kurita, Siro

2005

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 05

Lycoris Garden Reports 2005 Sept 01-07

Kurita, Siro

2006

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 06

Lycoris Garden Reports 2006 Feb 22 - Aug 23

Kurita, Siro

2006

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 07

Lycoris Garden Reports 2006 Aug 30 - ?

Kurita, Siro

2007

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 08

Lycoris Garden Reports 2007 July 23 - ?

Kurita, Siro

2007

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 09

Lycoris Garden Reports 2007 Aug 23-Oct 16

Kurita, Siro

2008

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 10

Lycoris Garden Reports 2008 July 12 - Sept 3

Kurita, Siro

2008

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 11

Lycoris Garden Reports 2008 Sept 4-Oct 12

Kurita, Siro

2009

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 12

Lycoris Garden Reports 2009 Spring/Summer - Feb 13-Aug 14

Kurita, Siro

2009

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 13

Lycoris Garden Reports 2009 Summer/Autumn - Aug19-Oct1

Kurita, Siro

2010

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report # 14

Lycoris Garden Reports 2010

Kurita, Siro

2004

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 01

Lycoris Garden Reports 2004 July

Kurita, Siro

2004

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 02

Lycoris Garden Reports 2004 Sept 01 - Oct 14

Kurita, Siro

2005

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 03

Lycoris Garden Reports 2005 January - March

Kurita, Siro

2005

on-line http://5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/, Report 04

Lycoris Garden Reports 2005 July 18-21

Kurita, Siro

1989

Plant Species Biol; 4: 47-60

Variation and Evolution in the karyotype of Lycoris. Chromosomal variation in L. sanguinea.

Kurita, Siro

1978

Proc. Jap. Soc. Plant Tax. 4: 8-9.

Chromosome evolution in Lycoris.

Kurita, Siro

1989

Proc. Sec. Sino-Jpn. Symposium P. Chromosomes; Plant Chromosome Research p101-106

Karyotypic orftioselsction in the genus Lycoris

Kurita, Siro

1985

Amaryllidaceae I. General Karyomorphological Characteristics of the Genus

Kurita, Siro and Hsu, P

1998

Univ. Mus., Univ. Tokyo, Bull. 37: 171-180

Cytological patterns in the Sino-Japanese flora; Hybrid complexes in Lycoris ,

Kurita, Siro, etal

1990

La Chromosomo II-57: 1926-1930

An abberrant karyotype in Lycoris radiata

Kurita, Siro; Hsu, Ping-sheng

1996

Am. J. Bot. 83: p207

Hybrid complex in Lycoris

Kurita, Siro; Ping-sheng, Hsu; Zhi-zhou, You; Jin-zhen, Lin

1992

Proc. Sec. Sino-Jpn. Symposium P. Chromosomes 1992; Plant Chromosome Research p51-58

Karotypes of some Lycoris species native to China and Korea

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Bob and all,

Kurita followed up with an articlke I use as a ‘bible' regarding chromosome info and general descriptions. Not easy to locate but it is ’Synopsis of the Genus Lycoris (Amaryllidaceae)‘ by Siro Kurita, Z.Z. Yu amd J. Z. Lin. Sida 16(2) 301-331.1994 I think it is on line, but might take some searching.

Let me know your thoughts. Jim W.

On Aug 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Robert Lauf via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net><mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net%3e> wrote:

You might already have seen a review paper from Kurita (1986), which cites all the old papers, which are in Japanese, but this one is in English and he mentions the prior suggestion that a couple of the species are natural hybrids. Interesting reading if you haven't seen it. Available as a pdf https://…

Bob
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 03:45:05 PM EDT, Jim McKenney via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net><mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net%3e> wrote:

Tony, two or three things:
Something's still fishy here. I have not seen Inariyama's paper, but if he really did describe it as an "autotriploid hybrid", he and we are not on the same page. The modern concept of this plant is that it is an allotriploid hybrid of Lycoris longituba and something else. In other words it's not an autotripld of anything.Then there is the issue of nothospecies. Nothospecies are not species in the modern sense: they are not sexually reproducing populations. When a taxonomist names a nothospecific plant at rank species, the entity in question has been misclassified: it is not a species in the modern sense. It's often nothing more than a distinctive clone.When a taxonomist decides that a plant originally described at rank species should be treated as a part of another species ( for instance, as a subspecies of another species), the convention is to cite both the name of taxonomist who first gave the "whole" species its name and add the name of the taxonomist proposing the change to the formal name.This sort of information can be invaluable in tracing the history of names.
Jim McKenney

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