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Today's Topics:

1. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil)
2. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil)
3. Oxalis disticha (Johannes Ulrich Urban)
4. Re: Paeonia californica (Hannon)
5. Re: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (oooOIOooo)
6. Allium with bulbils (Kathleen Sayce)
7. Re: Allium with bulbils (Tim Eck)
8. Alliums (sun-coast-pearl)
9. Re: Alliums (Lesley Richardson)
10. Re: Paeonia californica (Makiko Goto-Widerman)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:32:15 -0700
From: Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies
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Hi George,
I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil in
the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I can
water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to
facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots (my
poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture
doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't
have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks
after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat in
the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their
survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high
winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are
hardy beings.

The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the
winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When one
visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more
powerful.

Anne

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith <g_goldsmith@hotmail.com

wrote:

again.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:33:34 -0700
From: Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies
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Oh I forgot to address some of your questions, no fertilizer, no top
covering, I bury the seeds about two inches.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com> wrote:

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:56:43 +0100
From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: [pbs] Oxalis disticha
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Hello Joe,

Thank you very much for your research. I was not aware that there are
Oxalis growing in seasonal pools, so this is the aquatic species I was
reading about. I am aways fascinated by plants that can grow in between
extremes, under water at some time and bone dry during dormancy.

But I do not think that the blue flower growing with it is a Romulea.
Romuleas have single Crocus-like flowers not scapes of tiny flowers like
the ones on the picture. Does anybody know what the blue flower is?

When I google Romulea aquatica I find these pictures, and also one of
Oxalis disticha with it but I do not see these flowers (which are
Romuleas for me) on your picture.

https://google.com/search/…

So already three different aquatic bulbs.

bye and thanks again

Uli

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:40:04 -0700
From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica
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When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P.
californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any
treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots
was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this
period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with
plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few
years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box.

Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination
over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native
species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned?

Dylan

*"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an
useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson*

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:27:48 -0400
From: oooOIOooo <oooOIOooo@protonmail.ch>
To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net"
<pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis
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I planted healthy bulbs of the common garden Hyacinthodes one fall. They
struggled to send up small deformed leaves the following spring, but no
flowers. The leaves soon withered and I never saw them again.

Many plants feared elsewhere are never going to become invasive pests in
central Arizona. A few winter-growing annuals have become pests in the wild
here. I agree with the thought of offering potentially invasive plants with
a disclaimer.

Leo Martin
Phoenix Arizona USA
Zone 9?

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:21:53 -0700
From: Kathleen Sayce <kathleen.sayce@gmail.com>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils
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Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle
ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just
a head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify
this plant to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans
to remove it over the next few years.

Kathleen

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:42:50 -0400
From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium with bulbils
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I don't see a link but it sounds like Egyptian or walking onions.

Tim Eck

"Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once."
Anon.

just a

this plant

remove
it

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:52:49 -0700
From: sun-coast-pearl <sun-coast-pearl@telus.net>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: [pbs] Alliums
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The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew
these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The only
coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC.
This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of? -- hookers onion,?
and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering
umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of
these in the wild.?Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:28:06 -0700
From: Lesley Richardson <lesleykayrichardson@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Alliums
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I am currently growing the edible, nodding onion on the side of a mountain
in a very cold winter, specialized, Mediterranean climate. All the bulbs
survived their first winter, encased in a chicken wire cage to keep the
numerous rodents out. I am also growing Garry oaks, but they have had a
hard time surviving. I have three decent ones left now. But those appear to
be making it after 4 years. I was hoping to establish an oak woodland. Will
get more oaks in another year.
Lesley

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:52 PM, sun-coast-pearl <
sun-coast-pearl@telus.net>
wrote:

only

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:17:43 -0700
From: Makiko Goto-Widerman <mfdgardenclub@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica
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Dylan,

I agree that P. californica is difficult to grow. It was much easier to
germinate to compare with the Mediterranean peonies which
needs two years to germinate, but it is challenging to go through to
flowering stage.

Their tubular type root will keep water during hot summer.

*Makiko Goto-Widerman*
Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3
One Market Spear Tower 36F
San Francisco, CA 94105
(415) 293-8132
MFDgardenclub@gmail.com
*http://www.mfdgardenclub.us/ <http://www.mfdgardenclub.us/>*

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> wrote:

any

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