For those near me, Vancouver's Bloedel Conservatory has a corpse flower that will open any day! https://vancouver.ca/parks-recreation-culture/… Nikki Doherty On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 4:18 PM , <pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil) > 2. Re: California Peonies (Anne McNeil) > 3. Oxalis disticha (Johannes Ulrich Urban) > 4. Re: Paeonia californica (Hannon) > 5. Re: Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis (oooOIOooo) > 6. Allium with bulbils (Kathleen Sayce) > 7. Re: Allium with bulbils (Tim Eck) > 8. Alliums (sun-coast-pearl) > 9. Re: Alliums (Lesley Richardson) > 10. Re: Paeonia californica (Makiko Goto-Widerman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:32:15 -0700 > From: Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > Message-ID: > <CAHaZp6F8=Jx-EQsj9fxQqyVLCmPysJ8v=aqsEG5qAq2VQ-X= > pg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi George, > I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil in > the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I can > water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to > facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots (my > poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture > doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't > have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks > after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat in > the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their > survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high > winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are > hardy beings. > > The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the > winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When one > visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more > powerful. > > Anne > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith <g_goldsmith@hotmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Joe, > > > > Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. I > > appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks > again. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > > Joe G > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > > > > The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove the > > radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the > > radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds > > normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and > > stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in > > rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, > > maybe a combination of all of the above!) > > > > -joe > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham <jwickham@sbcglobal.net> > > wrote: > > > > > George, > > > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should > > > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments > > > that may be effective too. > > > > > > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > > > John Wickham > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > > > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > > > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > > > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > > > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > > > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > > > > > > George Goldsmith > > > (33.998702, -117.797542) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:33:34 -0700 > From: Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > Message-ID: > < > CAHaZp6F86AOu+kOOyZgrm4EZnR3vTF4kCNkr1zMiNxMNrHPn3Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh I forgot to address some of your questions, no fertilizer, no top > covering, I bury the seeds about two inches. > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Anne McNeil <amcdeubner@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi George, > > I sink the pots so the soil in the pot is at the same level as the soil > in > > the surrounding ground with the pot lip sticking up an inch or two so I > can > > water well. I use a peat mixed with any potting soil and a little sand to > > facilitate drainage. I have a volcanic silty sand surrounding the pots > (my > > poor volcanic soil) so the seeds never are sitting in water. The mixture > > doesn't seem as important as keeping the seeds in the ground. If I didn't > > have freezing temps I would put the seeds in the freezer for a 6-8 weeks > > after they are moist. That breaks down the seed coat as well as the heat > in > > the summer before. I was surprised how easily they all sprouted and their > > survival. These plants grow in the harsh high desert conditions with high > > winds, hot summers with cool nights and freezing with some snow. They are > > hardy beings. > > > > The Sculpture Garden is an amazing place in an amazing setting. If the > > winds are right Kokopelli's flute plays. The artist lives on site. When > one > > visits you are usually the only person around and it is all the more > > powerful. > > > > Anne > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM, George Goldsmith < > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com > > > wrote: > > > >> Joe, > >> > >> Thank you for this thorough description for addressing seed treatment. > I > >> appreciate your help and the time you took to pen your reply. Thanks > again. > >> > >> George > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf > Of > >> Joe G > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:05 AM > >> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > >> Subject: Re: [pbs] California Peonies > >> > >> The treatment I've been using (for species tree peonies) is to remove > the > >> radicle end of the seed coat (carefully!), cold moist stratify until the > >> radicle forms, then soaking in giberillic acid and sowing the seeds > >> normally. I've read about folks simply scarifying, soaking in GA-3, and > >> stratifying, as well as all other manner of pretreatment (soaking in > >> rubbing alcohol, soaking in indoleacetic acid, anaerobic fermentation, > >> maybe a combination of all of the above!) > >> > >> -joe > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM John Wickham <jwickham@sbcglobal.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > George, > >> > Seeds require treatment. They have a very tough outer coat that should > >> > be nicked to allow for better germination. There are other treatments > >> > that may be effective too. > >> > > >> > If you can't find seed, Las Pilitas in Santa Margarita sells plants. > >> > John Wickham > >> > > >> > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:56 PM, George Goldsmith < > >> > g_goldsmith@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I'm writing to see if anyone on the list has had experience growing > >> > either of the two California native peonies, Paeonia brownii or > >> > Paeonia californica. If so, can you provide any guidance on growing > >> > these from seed? Also, if anyone is aware of sources for seeds for > >> > these two plants, that would be helpful also. Thank you. > >> > > >> > George Goldsmith > >> > (33.998702, -117.797542) > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > pbs mailing list > >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > pbs mailing list > >> > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > >> http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:56:43 +0100 > From: Johannes Ulrich Urban <johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: [pbs] Oxalis disticha > Message-ID: <24bb3d8b-0ab5-bb9d-3a44-b19ca04b4b64@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Joe, > > Thank you very much for your research. I was not aware that there are > Oxalis growing in seasonal pools, so this is the aquatic species I was > reading about. I am aways fascinated by plants that can grow in between > extremes, under water at some time and bone dry during dormancy. > > But I do not think that the blue flower growing with it is a Romulea. > Romuleas have single Crocus-like flowers not scapes of tiny flowers like > the ones on the picture. Does anybody know what the blue flower is? > > When I google Romulea aquatica I find these pictures, and also one of > Oxalis disticha with it but I do not see these flowers (which are > Romuleas for me) on your picture. > > > https://google.com/search/… > > So already three different aquatic bulbs. > > > > bye and thanks again > > > Uli > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:40:04 -0700 > From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica > Message-ID: > <CAFsz2W8=gJu-DgO= > ZFuoLQuc8D_76NONXc485F-OJU8yBxbMqw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without any > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in pots > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during this > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained with > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a few > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. > > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? > > Dylan > > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an > useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson* > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:27:48 -0400 > From: oooOIOooo <oooOIOooo@protonmail.ch> > To: "pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net" > <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Hyacinthoides hispanica subsp. algeriensis > Message-ID: > > <38_fJH6Z-W9dZn8um9NBQQoap5iPcx0xIkid5HBqNrEqlUH20EDozTRspFy_EUFu1u2X4bgWxl6lrMBOTM8JU6QArvX_T5wGhlxAEhL_9nk=@ > protonmail.ch> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I planted healthy bulbs of the common garden Hyacinthodes one fall. They > struggled to send up small deformed leaves the following spring, but no > flowers. The leaves soon withered and I never saw them again. > > Many plants feared elsewhere are never going to become invasive pests in > central Arizona. A few winter-growing annuals have become pests in the wild > here. I agree with the thought of offering potentially invasive plants with > a disclaimer. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > Zone 9? > > ?Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:21:53 -0700 > From: Kathleen Sayce <kathleen.sayce@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > Message-ID: <21B26121-46B6-4664-8225-8B7719ED10FD@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle > ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, just > a head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify > this plant to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans > to remove it over the next few years. > > Kathleen > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:42:50 -0400 > From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > Message-ID: <001101d41946$f9428b80$ebc7a280$@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I don't see a link but it sounds like Egyptian or walking onions. > > Tim Eck > > "Time is nature's way of preventing everything from happening at once." > Anon. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net] On Behalf Of > > Kathleen Sayce > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:22 PM > > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Subject: [pbs] Allium with bulbils > > > > Surveying a coastal prairie that spent decades as a dairy and then cattle > > ranch, I found this allium last summer. 18-24 inches tall, no flowers, > just a > > head of bulbils, about 1.5-2 inches across. Is there a way to identify > this plant > > to species? It is now owned by a conservation group, which plans to > remove > it > > over the next few years. > > > > Kathleen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:52:49 -0700 > From: sun-coast-pearl <sun-coast-pearl@telus.net> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: [pbs] Alliums > Message-ID: <510b16b1abd42a41a8350951d35c71c3@mtlp000083> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew > these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The only > coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC. > This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of? -- hookers onion,? > and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering > umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of > these in the wild.?Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:28:06 -0700 > From: Lesley Richardson <lesleykayrichardson@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Alliums > Message-ID: > < > CAGLnzBwpGmwGFKmnY94o8y716wj87TXZMhd2OENxqOxkJv9Udg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am currently growing the edible, nodding onion on the side of a mountain > in a very cold winter, specialized, Mediterranean climate. All the bulbs > survived their first winter, encased in a chicken wire cage to keep the > numerous rodents out. I am also growing Garry oaks, but they have had a > hard time surviving. I have three decent ones left now. But those appear to > be making it after 4 years. I was hoping to establish an oak woodland. Will > get more oaks in another year. > Lesley > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:52 PM, sun-coast-pearl < > sun-coast-pearl@telus.net> > wrote: > > > The only allium I know of like that is the Egyptian walking onion. I grew > > these for years, and they are a top set onion with only bulbiles. The > only > > coastal "prairie" I know of is the endangered garry oak ecosystem in BC. > > This coastal dryland has 2 wild alliums that I know of -- hookers onion, > > and the edible nodding onion (A. ceruum). Both of these have flowering > > umbrels. California has several wild onions, but I have not seen any of > > these in the wild. Jo CanningVancouver IslandSent from my Galaxy Tab? A > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:17:43 -0700 > From: Makiko Goto-Widerman <mfdgardenclub@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paeonia californica > Message-ID: > < > CALezvAoOrg_em+zXuryp-BV9TLbtZeL070OfE7BWTPjsXeeoLQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dylan, > > I agree that P. californica is difficult to grow. It was much easier to > germinate to compare with the Mediterranean peonies which > needs two years to germinate, but it is challenging to go through to > flowering stage. > > Their tubular type root will keep water during hot summer. > > > > *Makiko Goto-Widerman* > Makiko Floral Design Garden Club 501 c 3 > One Market Spear Tower 36F > San Francisco, CA 94105 > (415) 293-8132 > MFDgardenclub@gmail.com > *http://www.mfdgardenclub.us/ <http://www.mfdgardenclub.us/>* > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> wrote: > > > When I worked at Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Garden we had a crop of P. > > californica. I remember the seeds germinated like kidney beans without > any > > treatment, but getting them through their leafless summer dormancy in > pots > > was challenging. Watering lightly about every two weeks helped during > this > > period; seedlings kept totally dry perished. The mix was well-drained > with > > plenty of sand and pumice and a low % of organic matter. Still, after a > few > > years we ended up with only one plant in a 1x1x1 foot wooden box. > > > > Recently I planted fresh seeds of P. cambessedesii with zero germination > > over winter. The seeds appear to have a harder coat that the CA native > > species. Maybe they need scarification as someone else mentioned? > > > > Dylan > > > > *"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an > > useful plant to its culture?" --**Thomas Jefferson* > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9 > ********************************** > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…