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Today's Topics:

1. Id question (John Willis)
2. Re: Id question (Hansen Nursery)
3. Narcissus obvallaris (hort.) (Jane McGary)
4. Re: Id question (John Willis)
5. Re: Narcissus obvallaris (hort.) (Peter Taggart)
6. Re: Id question (Mary Sue Ittner)
7. Re: Id question (David Pilling)
8. Re: Id question (John Willis)
9. Re: Narcissus obvallaris (hort.) (James Waddick)
10. Re: Id question (Arnold Trachtenberg)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:04:50 -0400
From: John Willis <willis@fred.net>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: [pbs] Id question
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I?ve grown this very nice glad from seed that most likely came from the PBS (my source of all good things) but I?ve lost the label. Does anyone recognize this as one of their own?

Gardens get wilder every day ?
MacGardens <http://www.macgardens.org/>

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:39:57 -0700
From: "Hansen Nursery" <robin@hansennursery.com>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question
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John,

I'm sorry I must not be doing something correctly. A link to your website is not help finding a photo of this gladiolus you want identified....

Thanks,

Robin
Hansen Nursery
robin@hansennursery.com

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 11:26:34 -0700
From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: [pbs] Narcissus obvallaris (hort.)
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I'm starting to think about collecting seed for the coming exchanges and
have been looking at the early daffodils in my bulb lawn. They originate
with a few bulbs purchased from the Dutch exporter then operating as
Hoog & Dix, under the name Narcissus obvallaris. As often with
Narcissus, the nomenclature is quite confusing, so I don't know how to
identify the seed. Any comments from Narcissus specialists are welcome.

John Blanchard's book "Narcissus: A Guide to Wild Daffodils" tentatively
accepts N. obvallaris (common name, Tenby Daffodil) as a valid species
found in both England and Wales and in Spain. Elsewhere, it is
considered a synonym of N. pseudonarcissus subsp. major, or treated as a
hybrid of some kind. I'm not sure what the Spanish botanical thought is.

My plants are quite uniform and interfertile, producing numerous
self-sown seedlings that appear identical to the parents (no other N.
pseudonarcissus form or hybrid is in flower here in early February).
This is a small, clear yellow flower borne singly on stems about 25-30
cm tall.

Should I send seed of this plant to exchanges (where the seedlings might
become distributed under a misnomer), and if so, under what name?

As for seeds of N. cantabricus and N. romieuxii, I hardly know what to
do about them and am just removing the capsules to prevent their further
swamping of my covered bulb beds. Many bulbs should appear in the BX
next summer, and what you call them is up to you.

Jane McGary

Portland, Oregon, USA

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:24:34 -0400
From: John Willis <macjohn@mac.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question
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Sorry, I sent it as an attachment, but I guess that doesn?t work. Here?s the web link from last year.

http://macgardens.org/wp-content/uploads/…

Gardens get wilder every day ?
MacGardens <http://www.macgardens.org/>

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 20:29:48 +0100
From: Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus obvallaris (hort.)
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My impression is that the daffodil sold commercially in the UK, as the
Tenby daffodil, is a much bigger flower than the natural form..... it would
be worth comparing what you have if you can source some reliable
information. The plant which I know from childhood is a dainty, small
flowered, self coloured, trumpet daffodil, tall for it's flower size.
Peter (UK)

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:01:56 -0700
From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question
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Your blog is wonderful with so many beautiful photos so I was glad for
the diversion. I think your Glad looks like a hybrid, one of those known
as Homoglads, hybrids between G. tristis and G. huttonii and perhaps
other species.

https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

There is an amazing variation in what you get when you plant seed from
any of these.

Mary Sue

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 21:07:14 +0100
From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question
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Hi,

Attachments do work. Inline does not.

You have a good blog.

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David Pilling
http://www.davidpilling.com/

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 16:18:30 -0400
From: John Willis <macjohn@mac.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question
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Thanks Mary Sue, I?ve looked at the images you referred me to and I think you are quite right, or at least close enough that will suffice as my new label :)

? jw

Gardens get wilder every day ?
MacGardens <http://www.macgardens.org/>

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 16:37:44 -0500
From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Narcissus obvallaris (hort.)
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Dear JAne and All

On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net> wrote:

I'm starting to think about collecting seed for the coming exchanges and have been looking at the early daffodils in my bulb lawn. They originate with a few bulbs purchased from the Dutch exporter then operating as Hoog & Dix, under the name Narcissus obvallaris. As often with Narcissus, the nomenclature is quite confusing, so I don't know how to identify the seed.

Not an expert at all, but I got some of these from Hoog years ago hoping they would be able to self sow in my harsh climate garden. They were given the name obvallaris and the web equated that with ?The Tenby Daffodil?. Years later they are still here and they do self sow around, but I have fewer each year. I guess I better collect some seeds, grow a few to make sure they persist.

It is a small plant and flower, but has that ?wild? look to it. N o other daffs self sow here and I have dozens of cvs.

Can you recommend a good VERY hardy narc that might self sow in my harsh climate (It was 16 overnight a day ago, snowing now and forecast for 70 by SWed. Crazy climate) Thanks Jim W.

Dr. James Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd
Kansas City, MO 64152-2711
USA
Phone 816-746-1949

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 18:05:53 -0400
From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net>
To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net
Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question
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Here's one I have that looks very much like the one discussed.

Arnold Trachtenberg
arnold140@verizon.net

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Subject: Re: [pbs] Id question

Your blog is wonderful with so many beautiful photos so I was glad for the diversion. I think your Glad looks like a hybrid, one of those known as Homoglads, hybrids between G. tristis and G. huttonii and perhaps other species.https://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… is an amazing variation in what you get when you plant seed from any of these.Mary SueOn 4/8/2018 12:24 PM, John Willis wrote:> Sorry, I sent it as an attachment, but I guess that doesn?t work. Here?s the web link from last year.>> http://macgardens.org/wp-content/uploads/…>>_______________________________________________pbs mailing listpbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.nethttp://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…
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