Jim McKenney wrote: > David Trout wrote: “I received some L. leichtlinii maximowiczii in a bulb > swap a couple of years ago, where there were called simply "red tiger". I > quite enjoyed the detective work, (made exponentially easier by the > internet), involved in figuring out what they are.” > > David, I hope that if you ever decide to distribute those bulbs you will > include their history with the bulbs. Without casting aspersions on anyone, I second this. If you receive catalogs offering Red Tiger, Yellow Tiger, and White Tiger lilies, rest assured that the lilies being offered are in fact hybrids, and probably have little or no ancestry from Lilium lancifolium. The name is familiar, and ordinary gardeners feel re-assured that the lilies offered will grow well after planting. Lilium regale suffers from the same problem, and many of the "royal" lilies offered are lilies, and have trumpet shaped flowers, but are not L. regale. On nomenclature, it has already been pointed out that plant "explorers" (exploiters?) often have access to very limited populations of plants, and atypical garden grown variants are imported as (or are subsequently named as) true species. Even if taken from wild populations, explorers do not see the whole range of variations in most species, and in some instances only select (seed or cuttings) that appears to them to be the most attractive of those seen. Once plant material has been imported, it is often grown by people who are not trying to represent the total range of variation, but what to them appears to be the most attractive, and the (to them) less attractive individuals become expensive compost. Lilium nepalense is an example. The form often seen is a green trumpet with a chocolate throat, very showy when exhibited. In fact this is an uncommon variant, with the "typical" form being a rather dingy yellowish-green trumpet with little or no chocolate throat. The "typical" form may actually be easier to grow, but it makes less of an impact when shown, so everyone wants the showy form. When most people do not know of anything but what appears on a show bench, or images in magazines or books, they assume that L. nepalense should be green and chocolate. As more material becomes available from the wild, it now appears that L. nepalense may even include species like L. ochraceum or even possibly L. brownii, and L. brownii may intergrade with some of the other Chinese trumpet lily species. Until you know the variations, you can't really know what "l. nepalense" actually is. It has been commented on that early plant explorers were often paid in part by bonuses for each new species being introduced. Botanists of the era were aware of that, and, since they were receiving botanical specimens, were rather generous in naming any variant as a new species. Even today, some botanists seem to possess a nationalistic feeling, and will name any variant from their country as a new species. While a local botanist is often a more knowledgeable source than a botanist from say, Kew Gardens, it is wise to be aware of nationalistic feelings, and regard nomenclature with a critical eye. Nomenclature is after all an opinion, based on information available, and if another botanist chooses to have a different opinion, or more information (meaning more variations in plants) becomes available, the same plant may have more than one name--and both are accurate, although not accepted by every botanist or gardener. Newer names are usually based on more complete information, but not always. We, as gardeners, can not keep up with the latest botanical opinions. Even botanists are never completely up-to-date, as they need to review new opinions before accepting them as accurate. The happy fact is, we as gardeners do not need to be botanically accurate. We need to be accurate--use a name that most people accept and understand to describe a particular plant. If there are still questions--someone doesn't understand which plant you are trying to discuss--they can be answered in more detail. Gardeners are usually more interested in growing and using plants than in trying to figure out exactly where a particular plant fits in the great scheme of things beloved of botanists. My sister-in-law calls mockoranges "Syringa" which was what her mother was taught was accurate. I know what plants she is talking about, and she knows that every time she says "Syringa" I understand that she means mockorange, and will tell her "Philadelphus". This has gone on for many years, and the world hasn't ended yet. Ken