Aloha friends, Thank you Jane for your interesting anecdote. Also happy autumn/spring to all of you :) I wish to add my voice in this now 'O/T' on a very matter very important to me re: palm oil production. For anyone who is deeply concerned about the incredibly rapid loss of biodiversitiy in the tropics via deforestation I would suggest doing some quick internet searches on how both legal and illegal palm oil plantations tacitly sanctioned by various governments such as that of Indonesia could destroy nearly every patch of forest on Borneo (just one example) within the coming decade (and this includes the loss of countless geophytic species). Jacob Uluwehi Knecht Honolulu, Hawai'i P.S. Yes I do owe some of my PBS list friends some private emails. I Thank you for your enduring patience as things are quite hectic over on my end. I have not forgotten any of you.