Norman Deno's work on seed germination was conducted under controlled conditions, and he usually did not attempt to get the resulting plants out into the garden. Indeed, I once heard him tell someone at a meeting that "you can't say you're growing something until it's self-seeding in your garden." I checked to see what Edward McRae's book "Lilies" has to say about treating seedlings with delayed hypogeal germination (the pattern also seen in Cardiocrinum), and he assumes that the foliage is emerging in spring, growing through summer, and planted out when dormant in autumn. If Garak has enough seedlings, it would be worthwhile to try to to restart some into growth now, while putting the rest in cold storage in barely moist peat until next spring. I've not grown these plants with artificial cycles, so I don't know what the results will be. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA On 5/7/2017 6:09 AM, Garak wrote: > Hi List, > > after several 3 month cold / 3 month warm cycles on wet paper (5 if i > remember correctly) , I finally got some Cardiocrinum giganteum to > germinate at the end of last November. They spent the winter in the > house under lights, and now the leaves died down - the bulbs below are > intact and bigger than I thought judgeing by the tiny leaves. Outside > it's late spring, so what am I supposed to do? simulate another winter > in the fridge or try to put them out in the open? How much winter will > they need? another 3 months and it's August, so the next growing phase > may be shorter than this last one unless I give them another stay in > the house? > All that speed gaining theory from Deno-Cycles sounds good on paper, > but how am I supposed to ever get them in sync with the world again? > > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@mailman1.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/