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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Soils and flower color (Rodger Whitlock)
2. Re: Definition? (Barbara McMullen)
3. Flora of Oregon Vol. 1 preorder (Travis O)
4. Re: Definition? (Boyce Tankersley)
5. Re: Definition? (Tim Eck)
6. Re: Definition? (Barbara McMullen)
7. Re: Definition? (Barbara McMullen)
8. Re: Bulbs in clay, was Soils and flower color (penstemon)
9. Attention Moraea lovers (Robert Werra)
10. layering in bulbs with other plants (Kathleen Sayce)
11. Re: Attention Moraea lovers (Don Leevers)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:21:45 -0700
From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Soils and flower color
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On 17 May 2015, at 19:11, Peter Taggart wrote:

Cyclamen, for example, imbibe moisture via the roots even in dormancy. Try
lifting a cyclamen tuber in summer and leaving it on a shelf. It will soon
get
flabby.

Tulips pose another interesting example of how people misinterpret words.
It's
commonly said that tulips need to be dry in summer, and a fair number of
people
misinterpret this as meaning a sandy soil. Nothing could be further from
the
truth; tulips do best in a rather heavy clay-ish soil that goes dry in the
summer. Put them in a lean, sandy soil and they won't thrive like they do
in a
heavier soil.

--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:35:12 -0400
From: Barbara McMullen <enna1921@live.ca>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?
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Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Bulborum Botanicum
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:57 AM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?

It's a mutation in the colour of a hybrid Tulip

Roland

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2015-05-17 0:56 GMT+02:00 Barbara McMullen <bmcmullen@cogeco.ca>:

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 21:26:33 -0700
From: Travis O <enoster@hotmail.com>
To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Flora of Oregon Vol. 1 preorder
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Hi,

The 'Flora of Oregon' is getting ready to be published and can now be
preordered from the website below [1]. Volume 1 includes all monocots as
well as pteridophytes and gymnosperms. Volumes 2 and 3 will be the dicots.
The book looks and sounds amazing!

Here is a description of the book from the website [1] below:

"The Oregon Flora Project, Oregon State University, and Botanical Research
Institute of Texas Press have collaborated to publish the Flora of Oregon,
the first comprehensive flora of Oregon in over 50 years?with illustrations!

The Flora of Oregon is a three-volume reference that will be the only
state flora published in the past half century and the first illustrated
floristic work that exclusively addresses Oregon. Volume 1 presents
treatments of the pteridophytes, gymnosperms, and monocots?1,054 taxa, or
23% of all native and naturalized vascular plants of Oregon. The taxonomic
treatments include dichotomous keys, family and generic synopses, full
taxon descriptions, and illustrations. A dot map depicting vouchered
occurrences and highlighted ecoregions that host the taxon accompanies each
description. There are pen and ink illustrations of 521 taxa, including 86
new works by artist John Myers.

Color photographs accompany chapters describing the state?s ecology and
sites for exploring botanical diversity. Also included are biographical
sketches of notable Oregon botanists and appendices emphasizing plant taxa
of interest to conservationists.

A valuable reference for land managers, policy-makers, naturalists,
wildflower enthusiasts, historians, teachers, and students of all ages, the
Flora of Oregon is a welcome resource for all who appreciate the natural
beauty and biodiversity of Oregon."

[1] http://shop.brit.org/products/floraoforegon1/

I want one.

Travis Owen
Rogue River, OR

amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:20:19 -0500
From: Boyce Tankersley <btankers@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?
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Sports (mutations) also can result in double flowers or variegated foliage.

Boyce Tankersley
Chicago Botanic Garden

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Barbara McMullen <bmcmullen@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:58:42 -0400
From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com>
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?
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I believe it refers to ANY vegetative mutation. (And some may include
germ cell mutations also, but that is not my understanding)

Tim Eck
When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When
he says something that is not trivial, then it is false.
Gauss

foliage.

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:04:48 -0400
From: Barbara McMullen <enna1921@live.ca>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?
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Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Boyce Tankersley
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 9:20 AM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?

Sports (mutations) also can result in double flowers or variegated foliage.

Boyce Tankersley
Chicago Botanic Garden

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Barbara McMullen <bmcmullen@cogeco.ca>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:05:25 -0400
From: Barbara McMullen <enna1921@live.ca>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?
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Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Eck
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:58 AM
To: 'Pacific Bulb Society'
Subject: Re: [pbs] Definition?

I believe it refers to ANY vegetative mutation. (And some may include germ
cell mutations also, but that is not my understanding)

Tim Eck
When a philosopher says something that is true, then it is trivial. When he
says something that is not trivial, then it is false.
Gauss

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:30:54 -0600
From: "penstemon" <penstemon@Q.com>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs in clay, was Soils and flower color
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truth; tulips do best in a rather heavy clay-ish soil that goes dry in the
summer. Put them in a lean, sandy soil and they won't thrive like they do
in a
heavier soil.

It?s probably the relative lack of air in heavy soils rather than any
water-retentive properties (which only operate in mesic situations). In
arid regions, clay is drier than sand.
Most of the soil-water studies available online originate in regions with
regular rainfall, so not really relevant here, or are directed toward crop
irrigation, also not relevant.

See Peterman, et al, Soil properties affect pinyon pine ? juniper response
to drought, in Ecohydrology 2012
(not only for the discussions of water in clay vs. coarse soils, but the
fact that the definitely non-bulbous pinyon (Pinus edulis) is found on clay
soils because of migration to such soils when precipitation rates were
higher, 600 years ago).

or Sala, et, al. Primary Production of the Central Grassland Region of the
United States, Ecology, Vol. 69, no. 1 (1988)

?In dry regions, major losses of soil water occur via bare soil
evaporation. However, where sandy soils occur, bare soil evaporation
is lower than in loamy soils because water penetrates deeper into the
soil. Runoff also is lower in sandy soils than in loamy soils.?

or the online version of the Encyclopedia of Ecology, p.884.

?Soil texture is of large importance as it affects both infiltration and
the movement of wetting fronts. Fine-textured soils that are high in clay
and silt fraction tend to impeded infiltration, in which wetting fronts
move only very slowly, and surface evaporation after rainfalls can be very
high. More-coarse-textured soil rich in sand fractions, as for instance
sandy loams, are characterized by high infiltration rates and rapid
percolation. For this reason, coarse-textured soils are often better for
plant growth. As this is in contrast to soils in mesic areas where
fine-textured soils are commonly considered to be superior for plant
production, this is called the ?inverse texture effect??.

Bob Nold
Denver, Colorado USA

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:19:12 -0700
From: "Robert Werra" <robertwerra@pacific.net>
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Subject: [pbs] Attention Moraea lovers
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Moraea lovers rejoice. Despite the drought, My few raised beds of moraeas
in No. Calif. put on their best show in ten years. The sparse rains must
have hit at the right time. I gave the bulk of my 25 year collection to
Michael Mace in San Jose CA.to caretake for the future. The remainder have
been a delight and there will be many seeds for moraea lovers. They began
in Feb. with M.ciliata(white and various blues), M. macronyx(yellow and
yellow-white), M.aristata, bellendini, calcicola, fergusonii, fugax,
flicaulis, gawleri, gigandra, loubseri, luridaa, papillionacea, polyanthos,
serpentina, stricta, tortillis, tricuspidata, tripetela, tulbaghensis,
vegeta, villosa in assorted colors,and ending now with the wonderful M.
vespertina. It opens when yuo are at supper or vespers with large white
slightly fragrant blossoms which fade by dark. Between my brush but mainly
bees and bugs many are producing seed for BX and you. If you have special
interest let me know.

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 19:05:20 -0700
From: Kathleen Sayce <ksayce@willapabay.org>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [pbs] layering in bulbs with other plants
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I?ve followed Ian Young?s bulb log for years, and have tried to devise a
mix of ground covering plants to coexist with bulbs several times, based on
his enthusiastic experiments in his own garden.

What I have found is that any of several plants (Oxalis spp., Galium
odoratum, Dicentra formosa, et cetera) are perfectly happy to cover the
ground, but then slugs, snails and other plant eating invertebrates follow.
These ground covering plants also do nothing to deter ivy, blackberry,
spruce, or elderberry seedlings, let alone slow down muscular spreaders
like creeping buttercup, or sheep sorrel.

Just today I rescued four Lilium columbianum bulbs from a mat of Oxalis
(which has lovely white flowers and nice green foliage) and quack grass,
which had sneaked in under the Oxalis cover. Formerly there were 15 bulbs
in this area, and some might still return next year. Or not.

Admittedly, my garden, and the coastal Pacific Northwest in general, is
over endowed with non-native slugs and snails.

My question to the general readership is this: Has anyone succeeded in
North America with layers of green mixed plantings in which bulbs can
thrive? Or does this provide too much cover for potential green pests and
herbivorous invertebrates?

Kathleen

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 07:43:03 +0200
From: Don Leevers <venzano1@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] Attention Moraea lovers
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Dear robert,
great news.I have a giant Moraea huttonii in flower .Its been at it for
weeks.I look foreward to receiving some seed of your other ones at some
time.
Best regards,
Donald Leevers (southern Italy)

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Robert Werra <robertwerra@pacific.net>
wrote:

have

polyanthos,

mainly

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