Friends, Very interesting comments from Jim McK and Ellen. I also have comments from a friend in upstate NY , not too far from Ellen who backs up Ellen closely. Where happy 'White Spendor' seems aggressive and hybridizes with typical blue forms. Jim has something else going for him there and that is not the case here after many years. Here the soil is limey, the winters as hard or harder than Ellen's without snow cover and semi-baking summers. None are aggressive, but we encourage them to spread about some in sun, shade and partial. Doesn't this point out the problem with 'Invasive Species' - one man's weed is anothers cosseted gem. And this applies to Pinellia and Helicodiceros too. The former are far from weedy although I gave all 3 to friend in St. Joseph MO about an hour's drive north. Only P pedatisecta became weedy on a N facing slope. He is colder and wetter there. Go figure. Helicoideceros is kept in my cool greenhouse for winter and only bloomed once. I was thrilled to see the amazing flower, but don't miss the associated aroma. It made no seed, but I grow it for the foliage which is wonderfully intricate and bizarre. My foundlings are clearly very small tubers or possible bits of broken tuber that have developed and grown. Having divided and distributed tubers every other year or so, I imagine small chunks and tiny tuberlets could break off and find homes. So the Atlantic coast is different from upstate New York and Missouri in the Heartland. Hmmm? Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F +