An experienced bulbgrower from the Netherlands tried to set up growing safron in Afganistan a few years ago, to help the local people. However he could not compete with the growing of papaver! (This is not to encourage the growing of papaver in Vermont!) 2017-01-13 22:30 GMT+01:00 <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org>: > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ledebouria cooperi (Shmuel Silinsky) > 2. Dividing Clivia miniata (Shmuel Silinsky) > 3. Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (Judy Glattstein) > 4. Re: Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (Mark Mazer) > 5. Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder (Chad Cox) > 6. Re: Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder (James SHIELDS) > 7. Re: Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (Tim Eck) > 8. Re: Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder (Mike Rummerfield) > 9. Re: Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? (From HK) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 04:35:11 -0500 > From: Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Ledebouria cooperi > Message-ID: > <CACHBJeG1UBLdQLGKkmuFmPC7YMzSs=P4o9GZZE+arQ8NX_K7Qw@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I live in Jersalem (USDA zone 9b) and my Ledebouria cooperi in a pot have > gone dormant (sort of). This is the first winter I have had them and am a > bit at a loss. Do I let them dry out completely? Also shoul d the bulbs be > buried completely of exposed like L socialis? > > Duh. I just read the PBS page on Ledebouria > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… and it pretty > much answered my questions. One swhould always look there first. :) > > Shmuel > Get a signature like this: Click here! > <http://ws-promos.appspot.com/r/… > lzZXN0YW1wLmNvbS9lbWFpbC1pbnN0YWxsP3dzX25jaWQ9NjcyMjk0MDA4Jn > V0bV9zb3VyY2U9ZXh0ZW5zaW9uJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbX > BhaWduPXByb21vXzU3MzI1Njg1NDg3Njk3OTIiLCAiZSI6ICI1NzMyNTY4NT > Q4NzY5NzkyIn0=&u=385256032547269> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 04:41:51 -0500 > From: Shmuel Silinsky <gardenbetter@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: [pbs] Dividing Clivia miniata > Message-ID: > <CACHBJeF2vMAZQAAes9b30J=up4sOqhwUUvogj=KqbhGg12vYEQ@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have a pretty crowded 5 gal bucket of Clivia miniata. When is best to > divide it? Now? After flowering? I would like flowers this year as I missed > them last year. (I was too late with the Measurol and they ended up snail > food.) > > Shmuel > > Get a signature like this: Click here! > <http://ws-promos.appspot.com/r/… > lzZXN0YW1wLmNvbS9lbWFpbC1pbnN0YWxsP3dzX25jaWQ9NjcyMjk0MDA4Jn > V0bV9zb3VyY2U9ZXh0ZW5zaW9uJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbX > BhaWduPXByb21vXzU3MzI1Njg1NDg3Njk3OTIiLCAiZSI6ICI1NzMyNTY4NT > Q4NzY5NzkyIn0=&u=833045879870440> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:05:55 -0500 > From: Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? > Message-ID: <d3e24ef6-6db0-bf85-8a05-18f01e32560a@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article: > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric > state of Vermont. > > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all! > Fahrenheit > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully flip-flopping > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59 > degrees fahrenheit a week later > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 13:57:06 -0500 > From: Mark Mazer <markemazer@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? > Message-ID: > <CAAvPRWsdL-aehaa+kPFL=WaDN67zkgJJ2JxKW5D-7yJ=MAACvw@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The minimum wage in Iran is one fifth of Vermont's. The minimum wage in > Spain is half, and in Afghanistan 'tis one sixteenth. How would green > mountain state growers ever expect to compete since labor is the > significant factor in the cost of saffron production? The proposition > simply doesn't make much economic sense unless there is sufficiently > great value > added downstream. > > No more crocus here. Rodents ate the entire collection within months of > our arrival. Then they feasted on the babiana, and then sparaxis. > > Mark Mazer > Hertford, NC > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article: > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's > > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric > state > > of Vermont. > > > > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or > > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all! > > Fahrenheit > > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully flip-flopping > > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59 > degrees > > fahrenheit a week later > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:52:52 -0800 > From: Chad Cox <clcox@ucdavis.edu> > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder > Message-ID: <04762E74-865B-4996-B535-11DB611B6C05@ucdavis.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks all for commiserating with me. > Fred I too have a house full of plants(some seedlings) but haven't > experimented with hybridization yet; my wife is already angry so I may have > to wait a bit on that plus I'm still waiting for one of my hippeastrum to > bloom. I'm hoping that will happen in Spring. > Rick I would have to say that the top of my list would be angustifolium, > closely followed by teyucuarense, brasilianum, morelianum, and argentinum > to start. The truth is I am fascinated by many of the rare species in this > genus and the fact that many are practically unheard of in cultivation > sparks my interest even more since I love challenges. > Mike thank you for calling to my attention that I suffer from yet > another condition, Clivia fever. I don't think I have it as badly as you > but I definitely have it. I've been looking for a nice red one for a long > time. > Jim yes I have both hippeastrum and clivia in my greenhouse too, but > was unable to limit myself to just those two and had to go get some > Phadranassa and Brunsvigia and Crinum and.... so unfortunately I'm running > out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A theory confirmed by my wife :-) > > Chad in Elverta CA > > > > Sent from my iPhone > Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. > > > Sent from my iPhone > Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:09:26 -0500 > From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder > Message-ID: > <CAPSFtJCFs5=B+OSUMwheehUz3khgFiKdxJ+pGz- > xZQfn4LOj5A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Chad, > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Chad Cox <clcox@ucdavis.edu> wrote: > > > ......... > > Jim yes I have both hippeastrum and clivia in my greenhouse too, but > > was unable to limit myself to just those two and had to go get some > > Phadranassa and Brunsvigia and Crinum and.... so unfortunately I'm > running > > out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A theory confirmed by my wife :-) > > ......... > > > The obvious solution to our dilemma is to add more greenhouses. I am up to > four now. > > Jim > > > -- > James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com > P.O. Box 92 > Westfield, IN 46074 > U.S.A. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:27:17 -0500 > From: "Tim Eck" <teck11@embarqmail.com> > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? > Message-ID: <000401d26ddb$6fb4f000$4f1ed000$@embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Harvesting (and separation of the pistil from the bloom) is the only > work-intensive part and both are very amenable to 'robomation' using > hue-based image processing. > > Tim Eck > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Mazer > > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:57 PM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? > > > > The minimum wage in Iran is one fifth of Vermont's. The minimum wage in > > Spain is half, and in Afghanistan 'tis one sixteenth. How would green > > mountain state growers ever expect to compete since labor is the > significant > > factor in the cost of saffron production? The proposition simply doesn't > make > > much economic sense unless there is sufficiently great value added > > downstream. > > > > No more crocus here. Rodents ate the entire collection within months of > our > > arrival. Then they feasted on the babiana, and then sparaxis. > > > > Mark Mazer > > Hertford, NC > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article: > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's > > > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric > > > state of Vermont. > > > > > > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or > > > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all! > > > Fahrenheit > > > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully flip-flopping > > > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59 > > > degrees fahrenheit a week later > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:47:09 -0800 > From: Mike Rummerfield <mikerumm@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Chronic hippeastrum acquisition disorder > Message-ID: > <CACvUPLeo47OaOV2OBTGbcFKRuDZrktNOBhhD5qBgOHjFRu1gqA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > " .... so unfortunately I'm running out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A > theory confirmed by my wife :-)" > > Chad, > Yes - but such a wonderful crazy. Maybe time to put yourself into > irretrievable debt (and marital disharmony) to add on to that greenhouse? > Adding on to the house might be pushing it a bit. ? > > I hope your Hippeastrum blooms this Spring. > Best of luck, > Mike > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Chad Cox <clcox@ucdavis.edu> wrote: > > > Thanks all for commiserating with me. > > Fred I too have a house full of plants(some seedlings) but haven't > > experimented with hybridization yet; my wife is already angry so I may > have > > to wait a bit on that plus I'm still waiting for one of my hippeastrum to > > bloom. I'm hoping that will happen in Spring. > > Rick I would have to say that the top of my list would be > angustifolium, > > closely followed by teyucuarense, brasilianum, morelianum, and argentinum > > to start. The truth is I am fascinated by many of the rare species in > this > > genus and the fact that many are practically unheard of in cultivation > > sparks my interest even more since I love challenges. > > Mike thank you for calling to my attention that I suffer from yet > > another condition, Clivia fever. I don't think I have it as badly as you > > but I definitely have it. I've been looking for a nice red one for a long > > time. > > Jim yes I have both hippeastrum and clivia in my greenhouse too, but > > was unable to limit myself to just those two and had to go get some > > Phadranassa and Brunsvigia and Crinum and.... so unfortunately I'm > running > > out of space. I think I'm just crazy. A theory confirmed by my wife :-) > > > > Chad in Elverta CA > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Chad L. Cox, Ph.D. > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:30:40 -0500 > From: From HK <hk@icarustrading.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? > Message-ID: > <CAHmdUY6ALmeXAFvKVYRQgfe3SVsyteZq2qc_0MYM1_qOHZ6mHA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hue base image processing? Wow. > > On Friday, January 13, 2017, Tim Eck <teck11@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > Harvesting (and separation of the pistil from the bloom) is the only > > work-intensive part and both are very amenable to 'robomation' using > > hue-based image processing. > > > > Tim Eck > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;>] On > > Behalf Of Mark Mazer > > > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:57 PM > > > To: Pacific Bulb Society > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Could Saffron Help Vermont Farmers? > > > > > > The minimum wage in Iran is one fifth of Vermont's. The minimum wage > in > > > Spain is half, and in Afghanistan 'tis one sixteenth. How would green > > > mountain state growers ever expect to compete since labor is the > > significant > > > factor in the cost of saffron production? The proposition simply > doesn't > > make > > > much economic sense unless there is sufficiently great value added > > > downstream. > > > > > > No more crocus here. Rodents ate the entire collection within months > of > > our > > > arrival. Then they feasted on the babiana, and then sparaxis. > > > > > > Mark Mazer > > > Hertford, NC > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Judy Glattstein <jgglatt@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Calling saffron "the world's most expensive spice," a BBC article: > > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37581228/ looks into what's > > > > involved in raising and harvest saffron in New England's ski-centric > > > > state of Vermont. > > > > > > > > So perhaps we'll have our choice of imported-from-Afghanistan or > > > > domestically-produced saffron. Paella for all! > > > > Fahrenheit > > > > Judy in the Garden State, where our weather is gleefully > flip-flopping > > > > from nighttime lows of 9 degrees Fahrenheit to a daytime high of 59 > > > > degrees fahrenheit a week later > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pbs mailing list > > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;> > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;> > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org <javascript:;> > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 168, Issue 7 > *********************************** > -- BJM Zonneveld Naturalis, Herbarium section Postbox 9517 Vondellaan 55, 2300RA Leiden The Netherlands Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>, telf 071-7517228