I'm thinking the same thing. There is a category of import permit that is called something like "Bulbs for Planting", but it applies to a few huge suppliers (probably Dutch) who have a USDA agent permanently stationed there at their own expense. I'd be very surprised if a specialty nursery in Japan would be set up in that program. Selling a few items to anyone on ebay who clicks on it probably bypasses APHIS (unless the vendor asks you to email a copy of your permit, which is required to be in the box) and a copy of your green and yellow label, which must go on the outside to direct it to the PIS of your choice. "Don't ask, don't tell" works fine unless customs happens to open it, in which case it will be confiscated. Anyone who has worked in a bureaucracy knows that many times it's easier to ask for forgiveness instead of asking for permission, but in this case you won't have that choice. Only you can decide how much money you want to put at risk. If there are several big fans of this nursery in the club, maybe one of you can get a permit and you can all go in on one order and do it right. But the nursery needs to understand the rules at their end. And as far as I know, they do need to get the phyto for the shipment. Bob On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 08:36:45 AM EDT, Mark Mazer via pbs <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: " they do ship to the US without the need of a phyto certificate" Legally or a "wink, wink" deal? Mark Mazer Hertford, NC _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net https://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… Unsubscribe: <mailto:pbs-unsubscribe@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> PBS Forum https://…