The easiest way to tell Triteleia apart from Brodiaea and Dichelostemma is to look at the stamens. In almost all of the species Brodiaea has what they call staminodes or false stamens, usually three, and these are important in telling the species apart. They only have 3 stamens. Trieleia species have six. Dichelostemma if you exclude D. capitatum also has 3 stamens. Jepson has a key for the Brodiaea species here: https://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/eflora/… I've tried to use it to identify what I used to grow from the Robinetts that has been elevated from B. californica ssp. leptandra to B. leptandra. In the past that was just a smaller plant so it was easy. It just doesn't fit the key anymore. Every year when it flowers I try to sort it out, but then get busy. Preston has created a lot of new species. I think there is huge variation in the wild and all these splits into new species makes it more and more likely for some of us to say, it's a Brodiaea and leave at that. So many of the species are determined partly by where they grow and for those of us who have grown plants from seed that may be many generations old don't always have that information. I agree that your first one looks like B. californica and the second is a Brodiaea as well. You can see if you can figure out which one from the key. Sometimes you have to pull the flowers apart to figure it out (where the stamens are attached is significant for some of the species in the "Brodiaea complex". ) Richard Haard took apart some of the flowers he was growing and took photos we added to the wiki so you could see what they are talking about. That might be a good project for you. Mary Sue _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…