For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action.
Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration.
george
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen)
2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon)
3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen)
4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
(Randall P. Linke)
5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
(David Pilling)
6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon)
7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson)
8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700
From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others.

?Lee

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600
From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post
Union next month.

Bob Nold

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700
From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I
literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read
that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally
*everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does
belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political
issue with their status, and there are very few of them).

This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international
mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening.

--Lee Poulsen
Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a
Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m

Union next month.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700
From: "Randall P. Linke" <randysgarden@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva
and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> wrote:

read

political

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100
From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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Hi,

On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote:

Geneva

Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices.

--
David Pilling

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600
From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com>
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Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I
literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever.

If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas
learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble.
So consider this a public service message.

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Bob

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700
From: M Robertson <dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
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The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure
between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies
shipping to the US.
"White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration
will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to
withdraw from the Universal Postal Union <
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…>,
an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal
rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the
grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products
into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending
products domestically. In a statement released by the White House <
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…
briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&amp;sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&amp;reserved=0>,
it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1,
2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU
Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues
are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government
will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by
the UPU. ?
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Mark

On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote:

Geneva

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Mark Robertson, Ph.D.
Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700
From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing?
Message-ID: <ADA5AA2E-A132-4AB5-827F-EBE5CC3433EA@pacbell.net>
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Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I
sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is
happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little
speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as
a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t
actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the
UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked
throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took
care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and
from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all.
(Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly
around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous
flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes
fly. Also another organization that every country in the w
orld belongs to.)

No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from
other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU
since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting
it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will
happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change
at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently
the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become
much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world
especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go
back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the
envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from
origin to destination.

Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should
place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to
get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-)

Thanks for the warning, Bob.

--Lee Poulsen
Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a
Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m

literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I
thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever.

learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble.

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