I'm very happy for what Trump is doing On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 8:17 AM George Nauyok <gnsanfrancisco@hotmail.com> wrote: > For all those who voted for Trump, I hope you're proud of that action. > Yet ANOTHER outrage of this administration. > george > ________________________________ > From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> on behalf of > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net < > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:00 AM > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > List-Archive:< > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 2. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 3. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > 4. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (Randall P. Linke) > 5. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > (David Pilling) > 6. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (penstemon) > 7. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (M Robertson) > 8. Re: USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? (Lee Poulsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:01:10 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <9E9E1F96-D31D-4C71-91D8-35B1E031ABD5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > ?Lee > > > On Sep 10, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Rick Buell via pbs < > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> wrote: > > > > May I quote this info on other gardening sites I'm on? Thanks! Rick Buell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:00:51 -0600 > From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <06.69.09645.2AC797D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > Bob Nold > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:01:57 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <C121DC2F-312A-4726-B0BA-C663C770A5B5@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just read > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does > belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some political > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > Union next month. > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:15:38 -0700 > From: "Randall P. Linke" <randysgarden@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: > <CAOi3jfPjt7e16GNFgZgR8Ga6sUeY_Bekn7U=1dNs= > tgfbGLqSQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in Geneva > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. (Just > read > > that it is the second oldest international organization.) Literally > > *everyone* belongs to it (or is associated with a member nation that does > > belong?these nonmembers are typically very small or there is some > political > > issue with their status, and there are very few of them). > > > > This organization has allowed for the smooth operation of international > > mail since 1874. I cannot believe this is happening. > > > > --Lee Poulsen > > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:00 PM, penstemon <penstemon@Q.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Sure, go right ahead. I don?t know if this is happening to others. > > > > > > This may all become moot if the U.S. withdraws from the Universal Post > > Union next month. > > > > > > > > > Bob Nold > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:26:28 +0100 > From: David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <c24e7051-dc2a-f464-bae8-c12759f5e00e@davidpilling.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > > I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > > and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > -- > David Pilling > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:56:06 -0600 > From: penstemon <penstemon@q.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <E2.DF.11853.5A7997D5@smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > So consider this a public service message. > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > Bob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:29:16 -0700 > From: M Robertson <dr.mas.roberts@gmail.com> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <17117570-124C-4F78-A0B2-03AAEE2C1BA5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Trump Administration is requesting an equal postal rate structure > between American companies shipping within the US and Chinese companies > shipping to the US. > "White House officials have announced that the Trump Administration > will act in accordance with a US State Department recommendation to > withdraw from the Universal Postal Union < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//…>, > an UN-backed organization founded in 1874 that has governed global postal > rates since 1969. This action was recommended to President Trump on the > grounds that the UPU currently allows China, among others, to ship products > into the US for less than the rate American companies must pay when sending > products domestically. In a statement released by the White House < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > briefings-statements%2Fstatement-press-secretary-38%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c3cbbbc1ef34c883cc908d73778c101%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637038864170068699&sdata=wwU%2B0KZuryCzFBhpYSePrzxfl%2FwzeY4%2F4%2FLHpfbe1ys%3D&reserved=0>, > it is said that the US plans to exit the union no later than January 1, > 2020, in accordance with the withdrawal process outlined in the UPU > Constitution. If renegotiations between the US and the UPU of terminal dues > are unsuccessful by this date, the US Government > will establish rates of its own, and formally disregard those imposed by > the UPU. ? > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > < > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > > Mark > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:26 PM, David Pilling <david@davidpilling.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > On 12/09/2019 01:15, Randall P. Linke wrote: > >> I was surprised as well. Apparently the meeting is in two weeks in > Geneva > >> and if Trump doesn't get his way the US will withdraw in mid October. > > > > Last chance to go on ebay and buy items direct from China at low prices. > > > > > > -- > > David Pilling > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > > > Mark Robertson, Ph.D. > Pacific Northwest USDA hardiness zone 8a; Sunset climate zone 4 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:48:36 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] USDA seed inspections/interceptions increasing? > Message-ID: <ADA5AA2E-A132-4AB5-827F-EBE5CC3433EA@pacbell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry, Bob. That was meant as a thank you for informing us. Sorry I > sounded annoyed; I am. I try to keep on top of all the crazy news that is > happening, but this one somehow slipped by me. I was left a little > speechless when I googled and read up on it. I collected postage stamps as > a kid and they still have a special place in my heart even though I don?t > actively collect them these days. I was always proud of the fact that the > UPU was one of those rare international treaties/organizations that worked > throughout the world and was uniformly approved of for the task it took > care of, and that we could send letters and postcards (and seeds!) to and > from friends all over the world without any postal problems at all. > (Another one is the ICAO which is what makes it such that we can all fly > around the world to see each other and each other?s countries and bulbous > flowers without a hitch and using common standards everywhere airplanes > fly. Also another organization that every country in the w > orld belongs to.) > > No one knows for certain how the U.S. will send and receive mail from > other countries if they go through with this. The U.S. has been in the UPU > since its inception and in fact the U.S. was the main instigator of setting > it up way back when. I read almost as many predictions about what will > happen as the number of articles I read?everything from nothing will change > at all to the whole international system will fall apart since apparently > the U.S. is the major backbone of the current system, and it will become > much more expensive to mail things (like seeds!) around the world > especially for Americans. So far I haven?t seen anyone suggest it will go > back to the pre-UPU method where you had to put the local postage on the > envelope for each country the letter would pass through on its route from > origin to destination. > > Along with using my seed import permit consistently, I guess I should > place all orders for seeds from abroad before January 1st that I intend to > get for the next 1.5 or 5.5 years. ;-) > > Thanks for the warning, Bob. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a > Latitude 34?N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m > > > On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:56 PM, penstemon <penstemon@q.com> wrote: > > > > Bob Nold, did you really have to make us aware of this possibility? ? I > literally had no idea this was a thing. When I read your sentence, I > thought it was a joke. The UPU is old; it?s been around forever. > > > > If I knew, and people who never received seeds or bulbs from overseas > learned that I knew and never said anything, I?d be in trouble. > > So consider this a public service message. > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com//… > > > ------------------------------ > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 31, Issue 13 > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…