Thanks everyone for responding with interesting stories and articles about Snowflakes(Leucojum aestivum)! If anyone has more info and folktales, do please send to me elainej@gmail.com. It'll be much appreciated! On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:17 AM Ben Zonneveld <ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl> wrote: > It does not explain the leucojum question but the following might be of > interest: > My father used to name snowdrops in dutch: Vastenavond zotjes translated > shrove tuesday? fools. > I think this is because they were so foolish to appear above ground so > early in the year (My explanation). From that summer fools for leucojum > seems to be derived I have never heard it in The Netherlands. Zomer klokjes > is the usual dutch name (translated Summer bells) although they flower in > spring! > Ben Zonneveld > > > Op ma 12 nov. 2018 om 13:00 schreef < > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net>: > > > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > pbs-request@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > pbs-owner@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Bulbs on sale (Diana Chapman) > > 2. Re: Bulbs on sale (James Waddick) > > 3. Donations from bulb sale (Diana Chapman) > > 4. Leucojum aestivum lore (Elaine Jek) > > 5. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (Arnold Trachtenberg) > > 6. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (Jim McKenney) > > 7. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (mark smyth) > > 8. Re: Leucojum aestivum lore (Peter Franks) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 07:55:50 -0800 > > From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs on sale > > Message-ID: <bb1195e1-3be4-4672-ec62-6474051cc098@suddenlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > All proceeds from the bulb sale are being donated to help the victims of > > the Camp fire in Paradise, California. > > > > I used to live very close to the town of Paradise, and knew many people > > who lived there.? I go back every year to that area to collect seeds, > > and the native bulb enthusiasts who have bought from me undoubtedly have > > bulbs that came from seed from the area. The bulbs will survive.? The > > community is gone. > > > > So with the sale, you get bulbs, the victims get some help, albeit a > > tiny drop in the enormous ocean of help needed.? If you can, donate > > directly, to the American Red Cross, or to local charities who are on > > the ground helping.? You can find them by Googling how to help victims > > of the Camp fire. > > > > Diana Chapman > > Telos Rare Bulbs > > > > > > > Telos Rare Bulbs is having a sale:? http://www.telosrarebulbs.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:53:13 -0600 > > From: James Waddick <jwaddick@kc.rr.com> > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Bulbs on sale > > Message-ID: <C990304F-4946-4D87-8A8F-94CB002E3DEB@kc.rr.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Dear PBS friends - > > > > I did not coordinate with Diana, but her offer is an excellent > way > > to aid the people suffering in the CA fires, but also get you new bulbs. > I > > am willing to bet that if you added $20 or more to your order and asked > for > > this money to go to these same local charities she?d be very willing and > > you?d feel much better. And she is having a sale, too. > > > > Jim W.. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 11, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> > > wrote: > > > > All proceeds from the bulb sale are being donated to help the victims of > > the Camp fire in Paradise, California. > > > > I used to live very close to the town of Paradise, and knew many people > > who lived there. I go back every year to that area to collect seeds, and > > the native bulb enthusiasts who have bought from me undoubtedly have > bulbs > > that came from seed from the area. The bulbs will survive. The community > > is gone. > > > > So with the sale, you get bulbs, the victims get some help, albeit a tiny > > drop in the enormous ocean of help needed. If you can, donate directly, > to > > the American Red Cross, or to local charities who are on the ground > > helping. You can find them by Googling how to help victims of the Camp > > fire. > > > > Diana Chapman > > Telos Rare Bulbs > > > > > > > Telos Rare Bulbs is having a sale: http://www.telosrarebulbs.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > Dr. James Waddick > > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd > > Kansas City, MO 64152-2711 > > USA > > Phone 816-746-1949 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:29:05 -0800 > > From: Diana Chapman <rarebulbs@suddenlink.net> > > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Subject: [pbs] Donations from bulb sale > > Message-ID: <cf92f38f-a87d-a6ac-ff6d-18997d5ca6bf@suddenlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > The first donation of? $300 has been sent to the North Valley Community > > Foundation, specifically to help the evacuees of the fire.? More orders > > have come in, and I will keep you posted.? Their link is: > > https://nvcf.org/fund/… > > > > Diana > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:43:51 -0800 > > From: Elaine Jek <elainej@gmail.com> > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > Message-ID: > > <CAG4qQ3Ws_nzev9kiHB0+k6_FQzJvunQWrOUNgndG= > > 4q0zjn8KQ@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated > with > > them. For example, a red rose means love. > > > > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum, > > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found > anything > > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the > > snowflake.) > > > > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now. > > > > Would anyone here know? > > > > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the > flower > > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-) > > > > Elaine. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:47:18 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold140@verizon.net> > > To: pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > Message-ID: <2059506372.763604.1541994438236@mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Elaine: > > In John Bryan's book, Manual of Bulbs he states > > "Leucojum from Greek Leukos meaning white and ion relating to violet > > referring to the delicate fragrance. > > aestivum? Greek "of summer" > > ArnoldNew Jersey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elaine Jek <elainej@gmail.com> > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:44 pm > > Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > > > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated > with > > them. For example, a red rose means love. > > > > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum, > > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found > anything > > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the > > snowflake.) > > > > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now. > > > > Would anyone here know? > > > > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the > flower > > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-) > > > > Elaine. > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 03:48:55 +0000 (UTC) > > From: Jim McKenney <jamesamckenney@verizon.net> > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > Message-ID: <987306898.696850.1541994535649@mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Elaine, this does not answer your question, but I think it is > interesting. > > The name Leucojum is derived from the classical Greek words for "white" > and > > "violet" .?But here's what I find interesting: in German, the very > similar > > word Levkoje is used for the flower known in English as stocks (genus > > Matthiola). The German word is also based on the Greek "white violet". I > > have not found out when Levkoje was introduced in German. I didn't see it > > in the Fuchs herbal. The modern German word for Leucojum is > > Knotenblume.?Jim McKenney > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:50:12 -0000 > > From: "mark smyth" <mark@marksgardenplants.com> > > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > Message-ID: <001801d47a53$f8f2e850$ead8b8f0$@marksgardenplants.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > St. Agnes flower in one of my books > > > > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated > with > > > > them. For example, a red rose means love. > > > > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum, > > > > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found > anything > > > > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the > > > > snowflake.) > > > > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now. > > > > Would anyone here know? > > > > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the > flower > > > > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-) > > > > Elaine. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pbs mailing list > > > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > > _____ > > > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter < > http://www.spamfighter.com/len/ > > > > > . > > SPAMfighter has removed 1281 of my spam emails to date. > > > > Do you have a slow PC? < > > http://spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter/?cid=sigen> > > Try a free scan! > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:51:17 +1100 > > From: "Peter Franks" <peter.scaevola@gmail.com> > > To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > Message-ID: <003501d47a54$1e857010$5b905030$@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Hi Elaine, > > > > Here's an extract from "Flowers and their Histories" [Alice M Coats, > 1956, > > p. 141] "Gerard and Parkinson called it [L. aestivum] Early Summer Fooles > > or > > Summer Sottekins - a name derived from the Dutch. I do not know the > > explanation, unless it is that the plant fools us by looking like a > > snowdrop > > in May." > > > > I've checked in Stern's "Snowdrops and Snowflakes" [1954] with no luck. > > Same > > result from Farrer's "English Rock Garden". > > > > I hope this is of some interest > > > > Regards > > > > Peter Franks > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pbs <pbs-bounces@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> On Behalf Of Elaine > > Jek > > Sent: Monday, 12 November 2018 1:44 PM > > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net> > > Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum lore > > > > I thought all flowers have a story or cultural significance associated > with > > them. For example, a red rose means love. > > > > I've been trying to find a 'flower meaning' for the Leucojum aestivum, > > commonly called summer snowflake or Loddon lily, and haven't found > anything > > on the internet. (There's tons of associations for snowdrop but not the > > snowflake.) > > > > It's the most charming thing in my garden right now. > > > > Would anyone here know? > > > > If no one knows, lets suggest a significance and which trait of the > flower > > inspired it, just for fun. Or maybe I'll come up with a story. :-) > > > > Elaine. > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8 > > ********************************** > > > > > -- > > Met vriendelijke groeten, > > Ben Zonneveld > Gastonderzoeker > > > > > > > 071-751 9158 > ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl - http://www.naturalis.nl/ > Herbarium: Nieuwenhuizenweg 19, 2324 XP Leiden > POST: via Vondellaan 55 2332 AA Leiden > Of : Postbus 9517, 2300 RA Leiden > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net > http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/… > _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.pacificbulbsociety.net http://lists.pacificbulbsociety.net/cgi-bin/…