I have L. occidentale from garden-collected seed just potted in container mix in gallon cans. It bloomed very well for me this summer. Granted, I'm on the southwest coast of Oregon, the lily did not get direct sun, was watered regularly and fed with bonemeal. I don't recall any special things I did for it. I have several patches with especially well-marked flowers growing a half-mile from me in wet areas but not bogs or fens. These areas dry out in summer but are in somewhat sheltered areas with a lot of light. They do not tolerate competition well at all. In fact in areas where they once grew, the salal and other shrubs have squeezed them out completely, so that it's understandable they're mostly found on the edges of bogs or fens. Robin Hansen Nursery robin@hansennursery.com