Let's hear it for rutabagas: they're great alone, boiled, or maybe even better mixed with mashed potatoes - in both cases with butter and pepper. Cynthia, those bare-root, waxed roses still show up each year in hardware stores here in the greater Washington, D.C. area. I've grown two of the roses you named, KAV, and Souvenir de la Malmaison, and I've grown the original pink form of Radiance. The roses of the Radiance group have a special interest for me: they are roses raised here in Maryland. The original Radiance (which was pink) was raised by John Cook, a Baltimore hybridizer and released in 1908. Red Radiance was released in 1916 (so this is its centenary year) by Gude Bros. The Gude Bros had a nursery in Washington, D.C., and descendants of the original Gudes are still active in the local nursery business. Gilbert Gude was active in Montgomery County, MD politics in the mid- late- twentieth century, and a local road is named for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Gude/ If anyone knows of a source for Red Radiance, please let me know in a private response, not a response to the group. Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, part of Maryland's 8th congressional district formerly represented by Gilbert Gude. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/