Couldn't agree more Jim, the world of systematics has gone crazy with DNA analysis contributing to the problem rather than resolving long standing issues. If the game (what it is) was restated at the genus level for species we might get somewhere. Systematics is the only scientific? discipline I know where, 2 1/4 centuries after the concept was advanced, we are still naming & renaming plants that haven't changed a bit in that entire time. This is a very dark & murky area, no light penetrating & none emerging. Do you know what the name of that plant you've been growing in your garden for 50 years is? I think the pollinators are largely innocent however. OK off the soapbox, temporarily, at least. Robin Bell Medford Or zone 7/8 On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Please, Travis, keep them coming. > Work such as yours might one day, as the data accumulate, provide insights into the ways pollinators influence plant speciation. Reproductive barriers among so many plants are so weak that I've started to wonder if the genera of the majority of insect pollinated plants are not in fact an approximation of the true species, and what taxonomists call species are in fact local expressions of that true species as filtered through the activities of local pollinators. Your work might shed light on this. > Jim McKenneyMontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where the outdoor thermometer this morning at 6 A.M. read 17° F (-8.3° C), a drop of about 40 ° F from recent daytime highs. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/