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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation
(Gordon Hogenson)
2. Re: Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation (Jane McGary)
3. Re: Pollinators of 2016 (sick of mr yet?) (Garak)
4. Re: Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation
(Gordon Hogenson)
5. naming of plants (Ben Zonneveld)
6. Re: naming of plants (Gianinatio)
7. Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Rick Buell)
8. Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Rick Buell)
9. Re: Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Dennis Kramb)
10. Re: Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (Arnold)
11. Re: Looking for h.mandonii pollen. (James SHIELDS)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:10:20 +0000 (UTC)
From: Gordon Hogenson <gordonhogenson@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation
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I love the Erythronium book!? Beautiful and helpful?photos and interesting
information in each?installment.
The comments about E. montanum were interesting -?Ian says?he?started seed
of this species from multiple sources and collected seed, eventually
producing a?strain that was adapted to the local?conditions. This is
something I hope to do as well, but I'm worried about the?issue of
cross-pollination with other Erythronium?? In general, I have heard that
Erythronium cross easily, although I don't know if this applies only to
closely related species.? I don't know?what species?will cross with?which
other species, or if all of them will potentially cross-pollinate.??Did Ian
hand-pollinate the montanum strains, or otherwise isolate them?
Gordon
?

From: youngs <youngs.aberdeen@btinternet.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:21 AM
Subject: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation

The last Bulb log for this year, No. 52, is now online and features
three more chapters on
? Erythronium montanum, E. elegans and E. klamathense.
Ian still has more chapters to write so is moving the date for the full
combined "e-book"
? 'Erythroniums in Cultivation' going online to the end of January.
http://srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/…
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:41:08 -0800
From: Jane McGary <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation
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Some people interested in Erythronium think that the narrow endemic
Erythronium elegans arose as a hybrid of E. montanum and E. oreganum. I
don't know whether this view is still widely held.

Jane McGary
Portland, Oregon, USA

On 1/5/2016 6:10 PM, Gordon Hogenson wrote:

interesting information in each installment.

seed of this species from multiple sources and collected seed, eventually
producing a strain that was adapted to the local conditions. This is
something I hope to do as well, but I'm worried about the issue of
cross-pollination with other Erythronium? In general, I have heard that
Erythronium cross easily, although I don't know if this applies only to
closely related species. I don't know what species will cross with which
other species, or if all of them will potentially cross-pollinate. Did Ian
hand-pollinate the montanum strains, or otherwise isolate them?

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 08:53:04 +0100
From: Garak <garak@code-garak.de>
To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [pbs] Pollinators of 2016 (sick of mr yet?)
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something worse than money: scientific reputation. Describing "your own
taxon" is basically immortality in the world of science.

--
Martin
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Southern Germany
Likely zone 7a

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 00:05:59 -0800
From: Gordon Hogenson <gordonhogenson@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation
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Erythronium quinaultense is also believed to have originated as a natural
hybrid between E. revolutum and E. montanum. Chris Clennett cites a 2001
paper by a botanist named G. A. Allen on hybrid speciation in Erythronium.
The paper also says that both hybrid species are tetraploids.

Gordon

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jane McGary" <janemcgary@earthlink.net>
Sent: ?1/?5/?2016 6:41 PM
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Ian Young's Bulb Log and Erythronium compilation

Some people interested in Erythronium think that the narrow endemic
Erythronium elegans arose as a hybrid of E. montanum and E. oreganum. I
don't know whether this view is still widely held.

Jane McGary
Portland, Oregon, USA

On 1/5/2016 6:10 PM, Gordon Hogenson wrote:

interesting information in each installment.

seed of this species from multiple sources and collected seed, eventually
producing a strain that was adapted to the local conditions. This is
something I hope to do as well, but I'm worried about the issue of
cross-pollination with other Erythronium? In general, I have heard that
Erythronium cross easily, although I don't know if this applies only to
closely related species. I don't know what species will cross with which
other species, or if all of them will potentially cross-pollinate. Did Ian
hand-pollinate the montanum strains, or otherwise isolate them?

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:37:01 +0100
From: Ben Zonneveld <ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl>
To: Pbs <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] naming of plants
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?I like to defend the taxonomists, although I am a genticist
If properly done new taxa are based on many characters?.These can be
divided in morphological characters, DNA sequence characters and what I do
myself the amount of DNA per nucleus. I investigated all wild galanthus (
and many other genera)in that respect. They vary in the amount of nuclear
DNA from 49 to 164 pg DNA per nucleus. So it is easy to discriminate the
Galanthus species (humans have about 7 picogram)Yes there are hybrids.
These can be recognized because often also the parents are around. Moreover
they are often sterile. Lastly naming new taxa is just part of the job, no
extra money involved.
Ben

--

BJM Zonneveld
Naturalis, Herbarium section
Postbox 9517
Darwinweg 2, 2300RA Leiden
The Netherlands
Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>,
telf 071-7517228

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:50:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: Gianinatio <gianinatio@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] naming of plants
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Thank you. ? That's fascinating. ?Is the weight a reflection of number of
base pairs / genome size? If so, how is it easy to discriminate with that
broad a range (49-164)? ? Or is that the range of all genera you tested?

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:37 AM, Ben Zonneveld <
ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl> wrote:

?I like to defend the taxonomists, although I am a genticist
If properly done new taxa are based on many characters?.These can be
divided in morphological characters, DNA sequence characters and what I do
myself the amount of DNA per nucleus. I investigated all wild galanthus (
and many other genera)in that respect. They vary in the amount of nuclear
DNA from 49 to 164 pg DNA per nucleus. So it is easy to discriminate the
Galanthus species (humans have about 7 picogram)Yes there are hybrids.
These can be recognized because often also the parents are around. Moreover
they are often sterile. Lastly naming new taxa is just part of the job, no
extra money involved.
Ben

--

BJM Zonneveld
Naturalis, Herbarium section
Postbox 9517
Darwinweg 2,? 2300RA Leiden
The Netherlands
Email: ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>,
telf 071-7517228
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:27:09 +0000 (UTC)
From: Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen.
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My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is this
typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from
self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of the
same species for another try.

If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me privately,
as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen,
seeds, or postage in return.
Thanks,
Rick Buell
New London, CT

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen.
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My h.mandonii is about to flower for the 3rd time since July 2015. Is this
typical for this species? I didn?t get a very good seed set from
self-pollination, and would like h.mandonii pollen from another of the
same species for another try.

If anyone has h.mandonii pollen availablr, please write to me privately,
as this latest flower will be open very shortly. I can provide pollen,
seeds, or postage in return.
Thanks,
Rick Buell
New London, CT

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:21:01 -0500
From: Dennis Kramb <dkramb@badbear.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen.
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I don't have it, but out of curiosity what does the H. stand for?

Thanks,
Dennis in Cincinnati

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Rick Buell <rredbbeard@yahoo.com> wrote:

this

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:40:36 -0500
From: Arnold <arnold140@verizon.net>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen.
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Hippeastrum

Sent from my iPhone

wrote:

this

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:43:17 -0500
From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Looking for h.mandonii pollen.
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I have H. mandonii, but mine did not bloom the last two years; so I can't
supply any right now. Maybe next Fall.

Jim

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Arnold <arnold140@verizon.net> wrote:

the

privately,

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P.O. Box 92
Westfield, IN 46074
U.S.A.

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