Hi Rimmer The guy that Lee may be thinking of is Victor W Lambou He grew lots of things including Iris, Hymenocallis and Crinum in no-drain containers He also posted many images to the old IBS forum showing his plants growing submerged in large, square several-gallon containers His email address [current in 2011] was vwak@msn.com If he's still in the land of the living he may be of help to you Peter Sydney, Australia Where summer has yet to make a final departure -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Rimmer deVries Sent: Friday, 8 April 2016 5:27 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Swamp Culture and Hymenocallis I was reading an old issue of Herbertia/ Plan Life from 1981 in which TM Howard discussed growing some Hymenocallis in "swamp culture" as in totally submerged situations. He mentioned Hymenocallis traubii and H. littoralis like being totally wet, with the water levels 2" above the top of the soil, as in pots in a tub of water WET! I thought a saucer below the pots was adequate but this description is much wetter. does anyone grow Hymenocallis in pots this wet? if so which Hymenocallis like this much water? the PBS wiki says Hymenocallis sonorensis grows at steam edges do any other of the Mexican hymenocallis like this much water or just like a good soaking weekly? can these Hymenocallis take this much water in winter while dormant? Rimmer SE Michigan Zone 6b sleeting outside