Bob Nold wrote: In order to demonstrate that Tulipa clusiana the pentaploid “non species” is somehow different from T. clusiana the accepted pentaploid species, I'm not sure what your point is there, but I was not trying to make a distinction between the pentaploid form and some "accepted pentaploid species". I'm not at all sure what you mean by "accepted pentaploid species". As far as I know, the old original form is the only pentaploid form of Tulipa clusiana. And if that's the case, there there is no pentaploid species, accepted or not, because there is no evidence that the pentaploid form exists as a sexually reproducing form. You used the word "accepted": did you mean "accepted" in the nomenclatural sense? I'm not disputing that "clusiana" is the right name for these tulips. That's not the nomenclatural issue I was raising. The issue I was raising is that the name clusiana was originally used for the pentaploid form. Subsequent taxonomic changes have made it difficult to name the original clone in such a way that it can be marketed without confusion with other forms of Tulipa clusiana. Jim McKenney _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/