>I've never said that the old pentaploid clone is distinct from the wild >species. Yes, you did. You said “No such thing as Tulipa clusiana var. clusiana or Tulipa clusiana f. clusiana exists in nature.” This contradicts what is said in the Kew monograph. A taxon found in Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan can scarcely be the same genetically-identical plant, reproducing by means other than seed. (Still not a "clone", by the way.) "The old pentaploid clone". That a plant does not behave in climates dissimilar to the way it would in a climate in which it evolved is not a basis for creating a distinction. It seeds here. As I said earlier. Bob Nold Denver, Colorado, USA "Plants don't clone plants; people clone plants." _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/