Judy, Isn't tangential discussion the point of a conversation (within reason)? I think it is great that the farmers are doing that. I wonder if there is a reduction in cost for growing gladies (lol) over corn or soy. In my experience corn and soy are water hogs, I have gladds that get virtually no summer water yet still flower well, and increase. Travis Owen Rogue River, OR amateuranthecologist.blogspot.com http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/