how do unsubscribe to this group? Sent from my iPad > On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:43 AM, Peter Taggart <petersirises@gmail.com> wrote: > > You deny the history and evolution of language, and the reason for > different letters. The fact remains that some spoken sounds are constant as > in "sh" and in others the sound changes as it is produced due to changing > the mouth's shape, -as in "sch". "k" and "qu" also have this difference > "(see the answer from Aad). > If you have heard Chaucer or other 'middle' English spoken fluently you > will understand that there is good reason for all our odd spellings, and a > lot of the sounds are still mildly pronounced in English on this side of > the atlantic > Peter (UK) > > >> On 3 September 2014 09:49, Kipp McMichael <kimcmich@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Peter, >> The phonemic inventories of both American and British english contain a >> single, voiceless velar stop: [k]. The voiceless velar stop in English does >> show variation in exact point of articulation depending on what phonemes >> precede and follow. This variation occurs within the speech instances of a >> single speaker, between different speakers of the same dialect, and >> certainly across dialects (of which there are many in both the UK and the >> US). These articulatory differences, however, are not systematic. They do >> not represent a phonemic distinction. Attempting to enunciate a difference >> would be better labelled "synthetic" rather than "good". >> -Kipp >> >>> From: petersirises@gmail.com >>> >>> no, the "k" and "q" are made with different parts of the mouth, it is not >>> just the "u" which makes them sound different. The k is produced with the >>> middle of the tounge against the palette and the tip of the tounge well >>> down. The "q" is made with the back of the tounge and the tip of the >> tounge >>> held up. >>> Equally with "sh" and "sch" the sounds are created differently. This >>> disregard for pronunciation, despite good enunciation, makes many >> American >>> accents sound crass to english speakers in Britain. >>> Peter (UK) >>> >>> >>>> On 2 September 2014 23:26, penstemon <penstemon@q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> and do you pronounce "kilt and "quilt" as indistinguishable too? In >> British >>>> English, for these, the mouth shapes differently and produces different >>>> sounds. >>>> >>>> >>>> In American English, too. "Kilt", and "kwilt". (I hardly ever use >> either >>>> word.) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pbs mailing list >>> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/