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Today's Topics:

1. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Michael Mace)
2. Identifying Rain Lilies (James SHIELDS)
3. Re: Identifying Rain Lilies (Alberto)
4. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Diane Whitehead)
5. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Alberto)
6. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Hannon)
7. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Steve Marak)
8. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Alberto)
9. Zantedeschia odorata ? (James SHIELDS)
10. Re: Zantedeschia odorata ? (David Pilling)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:44:38 -0800
From: "Michael Mace" <michaelcmace@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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Steve wrote:

botanic garden, tried to get permission to preserve some things, but I was
told by a reliable source that everything else was trashed.

Stories like this are heartbreaking, and also unnecessary. If you put years
into growing stuff, spend a few minutes making sure your work can survive
you.

I plan to be around for several more decades at least, but for the record,
if I kick it unexpectedly you're all invited over to my house to take as
many pots as you want. My wife knows how to contact PBS.

Mike

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:33:06 -0500
From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
Subject: [pbs] Identifying Rain Lilies
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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In trying to learn to identify rain lilies, I am starting by looking for
constants -- peduncle length? pedicel length? floral tube length? ratios of
filament lengths? stigma lengths? I am already disheartened to read in
Flora of North America, vol. 26, p. 297, where Flagg, Smith, & Flory wrote,
"It had been thought that pedicels are consistently either present or
absent in species of Zephyranthes. This is belied by the occurrence of both
pedicellate and sessile flowers within each of the the three species (Z.
atamasca, Z. treatiae, and Z. simpsonii) native to the southeastern United
States."

Can anyone suggest any other physical trait that might be consistent?

Jim

--
James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com
P.O. Box 92
Westfield, IN 46074
U.S.A.

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:39:54 +0000
From: Alberto <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Rain Lilies
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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In most cases, flower shape is constant but to be sure you have to take front, side and 3/4 photos. Of course, at anthesis. In Cooperias you have to at which level of the tube the organs are inserted.

Pedicels, bracts, even dimensions can look the same in many species and are of no use.

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:45:34 -0800
From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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You don't have to be dead to have your work trashed.

Another student and I were working at a Prairie university, doing everything from staining chromosomes to pulling out wheat with rust on the leaves.
One day we were told to weed an area, so dug out clumps of grass, making a big mound. The next day an upset professor was trying to sort out and replant that mound. They were his experimental plants in his attempt to discover the ancient progenitors of wheat. Obviously he should have told his fellow profs what he was doing and should have used some labels.

Diane Whitehead
Canada

On 2014-01-13, at 11:44 AM, Michael Mace wrote:

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:46:00 +0000
From: Alberto <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Mike, that is so very important. We have heard of so many collections went to the dump because there was not any will of the owner to give them a better home. And, so many plans that can no longer be obtained.

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:31:31 -0800
From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Valuable collections vanishing soon after a changing of the guards or death
of the owner is a familiar story. One way to counter this problem is for
owners and caretakers to do their utmost to propagate and distribute
valuable plants before the End. If this is carried-out during the most
dynamic period of a collector's and collection's life then the
ultimate fate of the collection will matter much less. It is also the
living knowledge that goes with the plants that is of great value,
something that can only be passed on in life.

Dylan Hannon

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:08:57 -0600
From: Steve Marak <samarak@gizmoworks.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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Dylan's approach is by far the best one. Even when the owner's wishes
are clearly expressed, survivors don't always respect them or carry them
out in a timely manner; in fact, it's a rarity when they do.

I'll take this opportunity to again praise PBS members and especially
Dell and the BX/SX for providing such a wonderfully easy and economical
way to share things, many of which are not easy to find elsewhere.
Bravo, Dell!

Steve

On 1/13/2014 3:31 PM, Hannon wrote:

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:51:37 +0000
From: Alberto <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Yes, Dell has made a fantastic job for years., always fair and clever. Impossible to achieve without somone very special like him.

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:56:04 -0500
From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
Subject: [pbs] Zantedeschia odorata ?
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I have some Zantedeschia just starting to bloom in the greenhouse. They
might be Z. odorata. How does one tell for sure whether they are the rare
odorata or the common aethiopica? (I have almost no sense of smell left,
so sniffing may not work for me.) All my Z. aethiopica/odorata seem to go
dormant in summer here.

What happens when you cross aethiopica with odorata or vice versa?

Jim Shields

--
James Shields jshields46074@gmail.com
P.O. Box 92
Westfield, IN 46074
U.S.A.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:52:50 +0000
From: David Pilling <pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [pbs] Zantedeschia odorata ?
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hi,

In message
<CAPSFtJB+BDOWmWRgrqbcE4eU3sYu0qJYNRwyq=++rS9A+8hcmA@mail.gmail.com>,
James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com> writes

The wiki page:

http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…

has a link to a key:

http://plantzafrica.com/veldflora/1995/…

from which it seems a fine distinction. There's also a quote from Duncan
that Z. odorata is not more smelly than Z. aethiopica.

--
David Pilling
email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk
web: http://www.davidpilling.net/

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