pbs Digest, Vol 129, Issue 50
Jyl Tuck (Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:27:26 PDT)
We live with Crown Land around us and beautiful Maryann Creek runs right
beside our 1910 farm house in Yale, B.C. with our land being deed N0. 5 on
the Hudson Bay Map. The gold miners dug up this place and they ran cattle
here. Now for 22 years we have beat back brambles ect. for veggies, and I
grow all manner of things that shouldn't grow here. My greenhouse is home
not only to tomatos and peppers but every year my Alligator Lizzards
,snakes and little Chorus Frogs appear with the warmth and help keep the
insects population in control. What insects die in the greenhouse I collect
and feed to the Cutthroat Trout in the Creek. Friends come visit just to
see the 40+ hummingbirds that hang out at our multiple feeders and flower
gardens. I keep a photo journal of the butterflies, for the Butterfly
Atlas.( plus everything else).
Our dogs have kept the raccoons away for years. We get regular visit from
deer, bear, coyote, rabbits, but the dogs have been trained to just keep
them out of the yard and not to bother them. The squirells though are the
one thing that really get there tails in a turmoil and give me a smirk.
They are trained to kill shrews and moles, the one thing that I have a hard
time co-exsiting with because they cause so much destruction,but they will
always be here because of the forests around us and the food I provide them.
Years ago our sheperd saved my life and our new puppies life when a young
couger came in our yard. Pearl was badly hurt, but amazingly survived with
a chrushed skull and was forever lovingly refered to as' Coug Head' .
Sadly Conservation officers shot the couger because it had had the taste
of dog and refused to leave. We tried to scare it away.
Thanks to my father---- gardening and nature have taught me everything
about co- existing, patience, appreciating beauty, empathy, what to fear &
what not to fear, and that its good to get dirty, stop and only hear birds
sing, feel a warm fresh breeze on the creek while catching a wiff of mock
orange or was that the linden tree or the aubretia on the rock wall
Celebrate Nature through plants, jyl Tuck
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1. Re: a new pest (Colleen)
2. Re: a new pest (Mark BROWN)
3. Re: a new pest (James Frelichowski)
4. Re: a new pest (B Spencer)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:14:30 -0700
From: "Colleen" <silkie@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I too enjoy a natural approach to landscaping and watching wildlife having
grown up in the rural mountains, but the downside of this trend of "wild"
animals and humans living close together is zoonosis, the bird flu being
only one. Humans are moving into the animal's territory and the animals,
as
has been pointed out are adapting to ours. Zoonosis is a big problem in
areas of the world with deforestation for plantations, ranching/farming,
and
housing developments as the displaced animals still return to their
traditional areas and the humans have no resistance to the diseases they
carry. Populations of any type do not thrive in dense situations.
Colleen NE Calif., USA
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On Behalf Of Giant Coreopsis
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:10 PM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
There has been a resurgence in recent years of wild life returning not just
to urban interface zones, but to metropolitan areas in North America.
There
is a small community of mountain lions in the hills visible from my house
in
central Los Angeles (see http://www.urbancarnivores.com/); coyotes and
bears
come through my parents' property spitting distance from Washington, DC and
someone mentioned turkeys in view of Manhattan. I personally find it
inspiring and hopeful - despite sprawl, highways and climate change, we
still get to experience some of the natural world without a camping trip to
Yellowstone. Over the years I have had plenty of animals have their way
with my plants and projects. It can be a challenge to outsmart them, or
deter them, and I aim to treat this as a challenge and part of the
adventure. I garden (nowadays with natives) primarily to experience a
connection with the natural rhythms of my area. That brings birds,
pollinators, soil fungi and some 'pests'. It's all part of the game. I
put
my precious free time, my money and my creativity into my garden projects.
So I guess I rationalize shooting an pesky animal, and it would die, and
perhaps the babies it's nursing would slowly starve somewhere out of sight,
and at some point (because this is the way nature works), another of its
species will take its place and eat my plants again. But I won't. Because
the way I see it, that would be cruel and futile, and worst of all, it
would
miss the point of why I garden.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Kelly Irvin <kellso@irvincentral.com
wrote:
Would make even a PETA member want to become a hunter! Aaargh!! Until
I got a crossbow, the deer were ruining me. No, I'm not a member of
PETA, and I was already a closet hunter.
Mr. Kelly M. Irvin
10850 Hodge Ln
Gravette, AR 72736
USA
479-787-9958
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b
On 10/30/13 4:06 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote:
I came home from work yesterday to discover the flower pots on my
back porch were all knocked down, smashed, with plants uprooted, and
disheveled. The culprit? A wild turkey. :-)
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:08:17 +0100 (CET)
From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
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I am in wholehearted agreement here!
I have to garden with wild boar and deer and it is not easy but I would
not have it any other way!
I love sharing this space with all the other creatures. Endless hours of
pleasure.
Salamanders and glow-worms are a particular joy as the were all but
extinct in England.
My father used to talk wistfully of them. I was so excited when I saw them
here!
This is half of the fun of gardening for me, being in intimate contact
with all this life.
It is a challenge at times but then as Henk Gerritsen said it is like
"playing chess with Nature".
?
Mark
" Message du 31/10/13 05:46
De : "Dennis Kramb"
My sentiments exactly, Giant Coreopsis! The vast majority of my garden is
native wildflowers, native shrubs, and native trees. I *love* the snakes,
frogs, rabbits, and now turkey(s) that my collection has attracted. Not
to
mention the countless types of birds, bees, and butterflies. If this
turkey wants to take up residence here, I'm kinda stoked about it!
Especially with winter season setting in... this could be interesting!
Dennis in Cincinnati"
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Frelichowski <butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
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I hear you.? Chipmunk, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits dig up or eat most of
what my mom tries to plant (Chicagoland) ranging from Petunias to Chestnut
trees.
As for the Turkeys, hey give the family a 'free range' bird for
Thanksgiving, lol (but i imagine they are protected species?).
?
James Frelichowski
?
Bryan, Texas, if it can grow here, it can grow just about anywhere, lol.
?
From: Kelly Irvin <kellso@irvincentral.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
Would make even a PETA member want to become a hunter! Aaargh!! Until
I got a crossbow, the deer were ruining me. No, I'm not a member of
PETA, and I was already a closet hunter.
Mr. Kelly M. Irvin
10850 Hodge Ln
Gravette, AR 72736
USA??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
479-787-9958
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b
On 10/30/13 4:06 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote:
I came home from work yesterday to discover the flower pots on my back
porch were all knocked down, smashed, with plants uprooted, and
disheveled.? The culprit?? A wild turkey.? :-)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:33:53 -0400
From: B Spencer <bea.spencer@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
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Wild turkeys were reintroduced to Ontario several years ago and the
program
has been tremendously successful. I have now resident turkeys on my five
rural acres property north of Toronto. Apart from taking every last of my
grapes last year in my veggie garden protected by an electric horse fence,
(the darn things can fly. It is actually quite amusing watching them, like
watching a B 52 taking of), they are not a big nuisance and have not come
as
close as my back porch. Coyotes and raccoons are a much bigger problem.
There have been sightings of bears not far from here and there is
persistent
rumor of cougar sightings in Southern Ontario although the Ministry takes
it
with a grain of salt.
Yes, the turkeys are protected here, sort of, and you have to have a permit
to take ONE tom during the short spring hunting season. Do not know if
there is a fall one too. Now, wild boars are tremendously destructive, but
they are not here yet although my hunters would love an opportunity to hunt
them.
When you live in the country you cannot complain that you live next to your
neighbour's manure pile so the wild life comes with the territory, although
some people do want to sanitize everything.
For you city folks. Yes, nature is tremendously unforgiving. You only have
to see the dead deer that starved in winter in the woods up north because
they could not get to the food, but a responsible hunter does not shoot
animals out of the hunting season which is designed so that "the babies do
not starve slowly somewhere". On the other hand when coyotes are killing
your sheep, are you going to just watch it, because they may have pups? A
tough call!
Bea
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From: James Frelichowski
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:49 AM
To: Pacific Bulb Society
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
I hear you. Chipmunk, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits dig up or eat most of
what my mom tries to plant (Chicagoland) ranging from Petunias to Chestnut
trees.
As for the Turkeys, hey give the family a 'free range' bird for
Thanksgiving, lol (but i imagine they are protected species?).
James Frelichowski
Bryan, Texas, if it can grow here, it can grow just about anywhere, lol.
From: Kelly Irvin <kellso@irvincentral.com>
To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] a new pest
Would make even a PETA member want to become a hunter! Aaargh!! Until
I got a crossbow, the deer were ruining me. No, I'm not a member of
PETA, and I was already a closet hunter.
Mr. Kelly M. Irvin
10850 Hodge Ln
Gravette, AR 72736
USA
479-787-9958
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 6a/b
On 10/30/13 4:06 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote:
I came home from work yesterday to discover the flower pots on my back
porch were all knocked down, smashed, with plants uprooted, and
disheveled. The culprit? A wild turkey. :-)
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