David, I will believe this dish garden nonsense when you send me a plant. If you have been growing cactus for 45 years, like I have you, should know transport of the seeds is a felony. While they will think you are insane, just call either dept of agriculture or the local FBI and ask them about this. I will gladly pay you to do this. I really mean this! By the way you are correct that most peyote have fibrous roots because they are cut off the main tap root and raised as cuttings. Do you know what the " Street Value) of on peyote button? There is a nice little reward you can get for turning in drug growers. Where did you get you Degrees in Plant Taxonomy? When I was younger I did teach Taxonomy for more years than I care to remember, Subtle differences in a plants body structure does not make it a new species. I tended to study Cytogenetics of my plant specimens, looking at genetic material. Well I have wasted enough time with this. I am not a nasty, caustic, bitter person but get you facts straight,please. Russ H. In a message dated 4/6/2013 10:44:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, idavide@sbcglobal.net writes: I do not agree with you. Lophophora williamsii is a well known plant. It is similar to L. diffusa, but they can be distinguished. When I lived in L.A., I was somewhat of an expert on cactus and grew many. Among my plants was L. williamsii, and of course it flowered for me. So far as tap root, only plants grown from seed will have that. Most plants are distributed from cuttings which have only adventitious roots. I assure you, that many of those souvenir dish collections sold in the Southwest contained Lophophora williamsii, though I'm sure that none of the Northeasterners who bought those souvenirs ever ate the plants. Regarding its illegality -- it is native to the U.S.; I'm not aware of the feds ever exterminating it. But you're right, it was overcollected, which contributed to its rarity. I no longer live in L.A, and I no longer grow cactus. Dish gardens of cactus are not sold in the Bay Area. David E. ________________________________ Dear david, I am not sure if you got my other message but I can assure that they (Growers) do NOT put peyote cactus plants in dish gardens!The peyote cactus has a drug that acts like LSD on the brain. Unless you are a member of the Native American Church it is a felony to grow and possess the plant. I would have to look it up but it may have been as far back as !930 that it was made illegal by the feds. Just type in Peyote cactus in a search engine. You are in for quite a surprise. You must have confused this cactus with something else in your dish garden. As a grower of cactus for resale I can assure you no one in their right mind would plant this in a dish garden for resale. If you find a dish garden with what you are sure is peyote can you please send me a picture. I am a Botanical Taxonomist and would like to know what you are seeing. By the way peyote grown from seed has a fleshy, carrot like taproot, smooth skin, white flowers and a globular head growing off the taproot. It almost never clumps in nature unless the top has been cut off. Then the head can resprout, sometimes with multiple globular heads. It is rare in nature because of over harvesting for drug use-Russ H. In a message dated 4/5/2013 6:40:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, idavide@sbcglobal.net writes: A federal crime to grow peyote? Peyote is typically included in those gift cactus plantings sold throughout the southwest. I shouldn't doubt that many members of this group grow it, although I doubt any of us use it as a narcotic. David E. _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ From: "Jadeboy48@aol.com" <Jadeboy48@aol.com> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Fri, April 5, 2013 11:35:24 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Peyote?? _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/