Dylan wrote > A locality would be of great help, hence the value > in obtaining and keeping such data wherever possible. Reminds me of a funny story. I was in Mexico and asked somebody knowledgeable what species of Beaucarnea we were seeing. He is not a succulent specialist, but he replied that he had been to the same spot with, and had asked the same question of, a Beaucarnea specialist. The Beaucarnea specialist replied, "Where are we?" Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA